TV DEMO PREPCHECKING PART 2 | TV DEMO: PREPCHECKING, PART II |
LRH: Pick up the cans. Okay, honey. We been getting a TA action here of 2.0 to 1.3, well 1.6. | |
PC: Wow. | |
LRH: (laughs) All right. Pick up the cans. | LRH: oh, now I don’t know this is enough TA action to amount to anything, but it’s worthwhile. |
- Okay, honey. Is it all right with you if I begin this session now? | PC: Well, the one – I was – didn’t realize it was going below 2.0. |
PC: Yes. | LRH: Hm? |
LRH: All right. Here it is. Start of session. Has the session started for you? | PC: I didn’t realize it was going below 2.0 is why I was going „wow“ about it. |
PC: - Mmm. (clears throat) | LRH: oh, yeah. That’s been wandering up and down there very nicely. We’re in a zone of where you haven’t taken too much responsibility. |
LRH: Very good. All right. How are you - doing? | PC: That’s the one that had occurred to me. |
PC: Well, I'm fine now that I'm back in the chair. I was a bit dispersed (chuckles) out in the hall. | LRH: All right. And 10:33. All right, honey. Is it all right with you if I begin this session now? |
LRH: Oh, yeah. AU right. Now, very good. Have I missed a withhold on you? | PC: Yes. |
PC: No. | LRH: All right. Here it is. Start of session. Has the session started for you? |
LRH: Well, there's a little latent tick here. There might be something on it. (pause) There it is. | PC: Mmm. |
PC: Well yeah. Just uh . . . (chuckles) I was pretty, pretty far out of present time when you (laughs) ended the session. | LRH: Very good. All right. Now how’re you doing |
LRH: All right. All right. Okay. | PC: Well, I’m fine now that I’m back in the chair. I was a bit dispensed down in the hall. |
PC: That's... | LRH: oh, yeah. All right. Now, very good. Have I missed a withhold on you? |
LRH: All right. Did I fail to find out about that? | PC: No. |
PC: Yeah: | LRH: Well, there’s a little latent tick here. There might be something on it. There it is. |
LRH: All right. When was that? | PC: Well, yeah. Just I was pretty – pretty far out of present time when you ended the session. |
PC: Well, when I went clattering down the hall by myself I couldn't find Suzie's bathroom. | LRH: All right. All right. |
LRH: All right. Very good. Okay. Now, have I missed a withhold on you? | PC: That’s… |
PC: No. | LRH: Okay. All right. Did I fail to find out about that? |
LRH: All right. Is there anything else there? Any other thing I might have missed a withhold on? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Mm-mm [no]. | LRH: All right. When was that? |
LRH: Okay. Now let me check this. | PC: Well, when I went clattering down the hall by myself I couldn’t find Suzy’s bathroom. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: All right. Very good. Okay. Now, have I missed a withhold on you? |
LRH: Have I missed a withhold on you? All right. That's going independently. | PC: No. |
PC: What does that mean? | LRH: All right. Is there anything else there? Any other thing I might have missed a withhold on? |
LRH: Now, you listen to me. | PC: Mm-mm. |
PC: All right. | LRH: Okay. Now let me check this. |
LRH: Now, you listen to me now. | PC: Mmm. |
PC: Okay. | LRH: Have I missed a withhold on you? All right. That’s going independently. |
LRH: To me. To me. All right. Have I missed a withhold on you? | PC: What does that mean? |
PC: No. | LRH: Now, you listen to me. |
LRH: That's right. You're absolutely right. (chuckles) | PC: All right. |
All right. Now, we were going great guns here on something that happened in a cornfield. | LRH: Now, you listen to me now. |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Okay. |
LRH: All right. Now, is it all right with you if I get on with this? | LRH: To me. To me. All right. Have I missed a withhold on you? |
PC: Sure. | PC: No. |
LRH: All right. Now, apparently you've been packing an awful lot of they-should-have-found-out-about-me's here, on this subject. | LRH: That’s right. You’re absolutely right. All right. Now, we were going great guns here on something that happened in a cornfield. |
PC: Um. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Hm? | LRH: All right. Now, is it all right with you if I get on with this? |
PC: Mostly Mother, yeah. | PC: Sure. |
LRH: Well has this been basic - yes, it's Mother all right, because I've got a double tick here I'm following down. | LRH: All right. Now, apparently you’ve been packing an awful lot of they-should-have-found-out-about-me’s here, on this subject. |
PC: Umm. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: It's a - I'm getting wider ... the closer we get in to the base on this, why, the more we're getting close to this little - double tick. Okay? | LRH: Hm? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Mostly Mother, yeah. |
LRH: And that's what we're looking for. We're looking for something ... Apparently every time you say something about your mother or his mother, or something, we get this double tick. | LRH: Well, has this been basic… Yes, it’s Mother all right, because I’ve got a double tick here I’m following down. |
PC: Yeah? | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: See, I can turn this on here. All right. What should your mother have found out about you? See, and there's a ... there it is (chuckles) - little one. | LRH: It’s a – I’m getting wider. The closer we get in to the base on this, why, the more we’re getting close to this little double tick. Okay? |
PC: Yeah, this is ... | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: See, I say something on that order. Now, you want so answer that question? | LRH: And that’s what we’re looking for. We’re looking for something… Apparently every time you say something about your mother or his mother, or something, we get this double tick. |
PC: Well, sure. She should have found out that I wasn't ah ... as pure and perfect as she thought I was. | PC: Yeah? |
LRH: As who was? | LRH: See, I can turn this on here. All right. What should your mother have found out about you? See, and there it is – little one. |
PC: As she thought I was. | PC: Yeah, I know. This is… |
LRH: Oh, all right. All right. | LRH: See, I say something on that order. Now, you want to answer that question? |
PC: Or that she insisted that I should be ... | PC: Well, sure, she should have found out that I wasn’t as pure and perfect as she thought I was. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: As who was? |
PC: ... is more in line. | PC: As she thought I was. |
LRH: All right. Now, we're following down the track here about sleeping with a man to trap him. | LRH: oh, all right. All right. |
PC: Umm. | PC: or that she insisted that I should be… |
LRH: And we're mining gold all the way. But I think there is an incident before 1926. | LRH: All right. |
PC: I think there is, too, but I haven't a clue. | PC: … is more in line. |
LRH: And where is it? You said two years earlier. | LRH: All right. Now, we’re following down the track here about sleeping with a man to trap him. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: And you didn't know whether it was or wasn't. Well, what happened two years before this time? Where were you living? | LRH: And we’re mining gold all the way. But I think there is an incident before 1926. |
PC: In uh ... | PC: I think there is, too, but I haven’t a clue. |
LRH: That's it. | LRH: And where is it? You said two years earlier. |
PC: Park City. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | LRH: And you didn’t know whether it was or wasn’t. Well, what happened two years before this time? Where were you living? |
PC: Montana. | PC: In uh… |
LRH: Park City what? | LRH: That’s it. |
PC: Montana. | PC: Park City. |
LRH: Montana. Park City. All right. And is there some sort of an incident there where you got all missed up with somebody or something? | LRH: Hm-hm. |
PC: Mm-mm [no]. | PC: Montana. |
LRH: Is there any incident in Park City? I don't know here. I'm getting a little bit of a rough line. | LRH: Park City what? |
PC: Well, there could be but... | PC: Montana. |
LRH: Is there some incident in Park City? No it isn't Park City. Is there some ... | LRH: Montana. Park City. All right. And is there some sort of an incident there where you got all mixed up with somebody or something? |
PC: Is it Glen Ullin - Glen Ullin, North Dakota, then? | PC: Mm-mm. |
LRH: Is that earlier? | LRH: Is there any incident in Park City? I don’t know here. I’m getting a little bit of a rough line. This… |
PC: Well, that would be in - when I was four, we moved from ... | PC: Well, there could be, but… |
LRH: Yeah. | LRH: Is there some incident in Park City? No, it isn’t Park City. Is there some… |
PC: ... Glen Ullin to Park City. | PC: Is it Glen Ullin – Glen Ullin, North Dakota, then? |
LRH: Well, haven't you any memory back of ... | LRH: Is that earlier? |
PC: No. | PC: Well, that would be in – when I was four, we moved from… |
LRH: ... that at all, huh? | LRH: Yeah. |
PC: Just splotchy pictures. | PC: … Glen Ullin to Park City. |
LRH: Hm-hm. Just got some pictures? | LRH: Well, haven’t you any memory back of… |
PC: Mm. | PC: No. |
LRH: What pictures? | LRH: … that at all, huh? |
PC: Well, I've got a picture of a stone house that I assume is my birthplace. | PC: Just splotchy pictures. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: Hm-hm. Just got some pictures? |
PC: Then later in Park City, I've got a couple or three pictures. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: Hm-hm. All right. Is there any other - incident here with your brothers? I get a little slowdown there. | LRH: What pictures? |
PC: Well, there is the one incident with my brother Bob. But this is not on sex-line stuff. | PC: Well, I’ve got a picture of a – a stone house that I assume is my birthplace. |
LRH: What about that, what roughly? | LRH: All right. |
PC: Well, I was supposed to care for him, and ... | PC: Then later in Park City, I’ve got a couple or three pictures. |
LRH: And you didn't. | LRH: Hm-hm. All right. Is there any other incident here with your brothers? I get a little slowdown there. |
PC: Well, there's some mystery on this one. I don't understand my reactions in that. | PC: Well, there is the one incident with my brother, Bob. But this is not on sex-line stuff. |
LRH: Well, what is your reaction? | LRH: What about that, just roughly? |
PC: Well, a little girl tried to take him away from me, and I got panicky ... | PC: Well, I was supposed to care for him, and… |
LRH: Hm-hm, | LRH: And you didn’t. |
PC: ... and it's way out of proportion to the situation. | PC: Well, there’s some mystery on this one. I don’t understand my reactions in that. |
LRH: Well, what happened? | LRH: Well, what is your reaction? |
PC: I hit her in the stomach with a rock. | PC: Well, a little girl tried to take him away from me, and I got panicky… |
LRH: And what happened with that? | LRH: Hm-hm. |
PC: That's all. Just - she... I - it hurt. | PC: … and it’s way out of proportion to the situation. |
LRH: Hm-mm. | LRH: Well, what happened? |
PC: And I got my brother back, but ... | PC: I hit her in the stomach with a rock. |
LRH: Hm. How old were you then? | LRH: And what happened with that? |
PC: Four. | PC: That’s all. Just she – I – it hurt. |
LRH: About four. Is that the incident here on the 19... | LRH: Hm-mm. |
PC: 1924. | PC: And I got my brother back, but uh… |
LRH: That's the 1924 incident. | LRH: Hm. How old were you then? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Four. |
LRH: That's it. Tick-tick. | LRH: About four. Is that the incident here on the 19 – … |
PC: Mm-hm. | PC: 1924. |
LRH: All right. This have to do with a man? | LRH: That’s the 1924 incident. |
PC: Hm. Took my brother, who was a ... | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: All right. Well was he ... | LRH: That’s it. Tick, tick. |
PC: he was younger. | PC: Mm-hm. |
LRH: What was he? A boy? | LRH: All right. This have to do with a man? |
PC: Mm-hm. Two. | PC: Hm. Took my brother who was a… |
LRH: All right. It had to do with a boy. | LRH: All right. Well, was he… |
PC: Mmm. | PC: … he was younger. |
LRH: All right. And what about this boy? | LRH: What was he? A boy? |
PC: Well I was supposed to take care of hm. | PC: Mm-hm. Two. |
LRH: Right ... | LRH: All right. It had to do with a boy. |
PC: Mother said I should look out for him. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | LRH: All right. What about this boy? |
PC: Ant uh ... I had agreed to ... to care for him. | PC: Well, I was supposed to take care of him. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | LRH: Right? |
PC: But uh ... this little girl was just teasing, said I was ... she was going to take him away from me. And just - I got panicky. | PC: Mother said I should look out for him. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | LRH: Mm-hm. |
PC: And I it is - it was just almost a reflex action. I picked up the rock and threw it at her to stop her ... | PC: And I had agreed to care for him. |
LRH: Hm-mm. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
PC: ... from taking him away. I don't know where the hell she would have taken him. | PC: But this little girl was just teasing, said I was – she was going to take him away from me. And just – I got panicky. |
LRH: Yeah. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
PC: She was only four, too. | PC: And I just – it was just a – almost a reflex action. I picked up the rock and threw it at her to stop her… |
LRH: Yeah. | LRH: Hm-mm. |
PC: You see? | PC: … from taking him away. I don’t know where the hell she would have taken him. |
LRH: And where did the rock cut her? | LRH: Yeah. |
PC: In the stomach. | PC: She was only four, too. |
LRH: Uh-huh. She bleed much? | LRH: Yeah. |
PC: It didn't cut her.- It just went POW in her stomach. | PC: You see? |
LRH: I see. It just went POW in her stomach. Did she bleed much? | LRH: And where did the rock cut her? |
PC: She didn't bleed at all. | PC: In the stomach. |
LRH: Are you sure? | LRH: Uh-huh. She bleed much? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: It didn’t cut her. It just went pow in her stomach. |
LRH: You're sure? | LRH: I see. It just went pow in her stomach. Did she bleed much? |
PC: Well, no. Of course, I'm not sure. (laughs) But I don't think so. | PC: She didn’t bleed at all. |
LRH: Come on. How seriously was this little girl injured? | LRH: Are you sure? |
PC: Well she ... she cried. And I just imagine, because it hit her in the stomach, that it was awful painful. It is when it - when I get hit in the stomach. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Huh? | LRH: You’re sure? |
PC: It's... | PC: Well, no. Of course, I’m not sure. But I don’t think so. |
LRH: What else did you do to her? | LRH: Come on. How seriously was this little girl injured? |
PC: That's all - I think. | PC: Well, she uh – she cried. And I just imagine because it hit her in the stomach, that it was awful painful. It is when I get hit in the stomach. |
LRH: All right. Did you hit her in the stomach? | LRH: Huh? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: It’s… |
LRH: With a rock. | LRH: What else did you do to her? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: That’s all – I think. |
LRH: That's it. With a rock. | LRH: All right. Did you hit her in the stomach? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: All right. Who else did you hit with a rock? | LRH: With a rock. |
PC: Oh, well, heavens, I ... | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Oh, well, now we're onto something else. | LRH: That’s it. With a rock. |
PC: Now, yeah. But not earlier. I mean, I used to throw rocks at my brothers. I don't think I ever hit them though. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Uh-huh. | LRH: All right. Who else did you hit with a rock? |
PC: I was a lousy shot. | PC: oh, well, heavens, I… |
LRH: All right. But which one of them did you blood? | LRH: oh, well, now we’re onto something else. |
PC: How did blood get into the act? | PC: Now, yeah. But not earlier. I mean, I used to throw rocks at my brothers. I don’t think I ever hit them though. |
LRH: I don't know how blood got into this. | LRH: Uh-huh. |
PC: - Oh. (pause; laughs) Well, well, there's my brother Bob. There's the incident when I hit him into a rock. I mean, it was concrete. It wasn't I - that I threw a rock at him, but I hit his head into a rock - into concrete. | PC: I was a lousy shot. |
LRH: Hm-hm, you did. | LRH: All right. But which one of them did you blood? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: How’d blood get into the act? |
LRH: And that bled? | LRH: I don’t know how blood got into this. |
PC: Yeah, that bled | PC: oh. Well, well, there’s my brother, Bob. There’s the incident when I hit him into a rock. I mean, it was concrete. It wasn’t that I threw a rock at him, but I hit his head into a rock – into concrete. |
LRH: That bled. | LRH: Hm-hm, you did. |
PC: That bled. Yes. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. Fine. How old was he? | LRH: And that bled? |
PC: Uh-... he was older then. He was - oh, I should say four and I was six. That's roughly. | PC: Yeah, that bled. |
LRH: All right. And what did you do? | LRH: That bled. |
PC: I made an airplane out of him. I was swinging him around ... | PC: That bled. Yes. |
LRH: Yeah. | LRH: All right. Fine. How old was he? |
PC: ... me. | PC: Uh – he was older then. He was – oh, I should say four and I was six. That’s roughly. |
LRH: Mm. | LRH: All right. And what did you do? |
PC: I was going around and held him by the feet, you see ... | PC: I made an airplane out of him. I was swinging him around… |
LRH: Mm. Mm. | LRH: Yeah. |
PC: and I was swinging him round, and I hit his head into the concrete block. | PC: … me. |
LRH: Because you were dispersed. | LRH: Mm. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: I was going around and had him by the feet, you see… |
LRH: Go on. | LRH: Mm. Mm. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: … and I was swinging him round, and I hit his head into the concrete block. |
LRH: And what happened there? | LRH: Because you were dispersed. |
PC: Well, I injured him very seriously. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: How seriously? | LRH: Yeah. Go on. |
PC: Well, he's still got a knot on his head which he ... | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Uh-huh. | LRH: And what happened, there? |
PC: assures me every time I see him that I did it. And I did. | PC: Well, I injured him very seriously. |
LRH: All right. What did this do to him mentally, at the time? | LRH: All right, how seriously? |
PC: Hmm. Well, he - I think he was almost out cold. | PC: Well, he’s still got a knot on his head which he… |
LRH: Hm-hm. | LRH: Uh-huh. |
PC: I was going to say it cold-cocked him. | PC: … assures me every time I see him that I did it. And I did. |
LRH: Well, did it? | LRH: All right. What did this do to him mentally, at the time? |
PC: Uh ... it stunned hm, it uh ... it did. Yes. | PC: Hmm. Well, he – I think he was almost out cold. |
LRH: Mm. Mm. What did you think you had done at that time? | LRH: Hm-hm. |
PC: Well, I thought I had injured him beyond repair, really. | PC: I was going to say it cold-cocked him. |
LRH: Yeah. | LRH: Well, did it? |
PC: Like his head was pretty wide open. | PC: It stunned him. It did. Yes. |
LRH: And when was that? | LRH: Mm. Mm. What did you think you had done at that time? |
PC: 1926, I would say roughly. | PC: Well, I thought I had injured him beyond repair, really. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | LRH: Yeah. |
PC: I'm not sure. | PC: Like his head was pretty wide open. |
LRH: All right. When was it? Have you been told about this or do you remember it? | LRH: And when was that? |
PC: Oh, no. I remember it. | PC: Uh – 1926, I would say, roughly. |
LRH: You remember doing this. | LRH: Mm-hm. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: I’m not sure. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. When was it? Have you been told about this or do you remember it? |
PC: ... was having a ball. | PC: oh, no. I remember it. |
LRH: All right. And? | LRH: You remember doing this. |
PC: And I slipped, actually. I mean, I got his head too low, and it cracked up against the concrete. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Uh-huh. | LRH: All right. |
PC: And he - he was stunned. I don't remember whether Mother patched him up or not. | PC: I was having a ball. |
LRH: All right. Well what might have appeared there? | LRH: All right. And? |
PC: Well, the wound. | PC: And I slipped, actually. I mean, I got his head too low, and it cracked up against the concrete. |
LRH: Hm-hm. Very good. And who didn't find out about it? | LRH: Uh-huh. |
PC: I don I think Dad did. | PC: And he uh – he was stunned. I don’t remember whether Mother uh – patched him up or not. |
LRH: Hm-hm. Who did you withhold that from? | LRH: All right. Well, what might have appeared there? |
PC: Well, from Dad. | PC: Well, the wound. |
LRH: Hm-hm. Anybody else fail to find out about it? | LRH: Hm-hm. Very good. And who didn’t find out about it? |
PC: The doctor. I don't think he was taken to the doctor. | PC: I don’t think Dad did. |
LRH: Took him to the doctor? | LRH: Hm-hm. Who did you withhold that from? |
PC: They didn't take him. | PC: Well, from Dad. |
LRH: They didn't | LRH: Hm-hm. Anybody else fail to find out about it? |
PC: Mm-mm [no]. | PC: The doctor. I don’t think he was taken to the doctor. |
LRH: Doctor didn't find out about it. | LRH: Took him to the doctor? |
PC: Mm-mm [no]. | PC: They didn’t take him. |
LRH: Well, who else didn't find out about it? | LRH: They didn’t. |
PC: (sighs) I'm not so sure Mother did. I think it was my sister patched him up. | PC: Mm-mm. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | LRH: Doctor didn’t find out about it. |
PC: I don't remember, but I don't think she did. | PC: Mm-mm. |
LRH: Was there a big secrecy involved in this? | LRH: Well, who else didn’t find out about it? |
PC: Well, just occlusions more than secrecy. I don 't remember. | PC: I’m not so sure Mother did. I think it was my sister patched him up. |
LRH: Oh, no-no, no, no, no-no-no, no, no. Now, now, you weren't carrying any banner signs around there ... | LRH: Hm-hm. |
PC: Oh, of course not! | PC: I don’t remember, but I don’t think she did. |
LRH: ... telling everybody "I busted my little brother's head open." | LRH: Was there a big secrecy involved in this? |
PC: No no, no. No. | PC: Well, just uh – occlusions more than secrecy. I don’t remember. |
LRH: All right. Who did you keep this from? | LRH: oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Now, now, now you weren’t carrying any banner signs around there… |
PC: Oh, well, I kept that from the kids in school, and teachers, and... | PC: oh, of course not! |
LRH: Hm-hm, And your father and your mother? | LRH: … telling everybody „I busted my little brother’s head open.“ |
PC: Mother, and anybody that would have made me guilty. | PC: No, no, no. No. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. Who did you keep this from? |
PC: Like the towns people. | PC: oh, well, I kept that from the kids at school, and teachers, and… |
LRH: Very good. And do you actually remember, now, suppressing that? | LRH: Hm-hm. And your father and your mother. |
PC: Yeah. Sure you wouldn't - that's a now-I'm-supposed-to, actually. I mean, you wouldn't go around saying you'd bashed your brother's head in. | PC: Mother, and anybody that would have made me guilty. |
LRH: Yeah, but did your mama know about it? | LRH: All right. |
PC: I don't think so. | PC: Like the townspeople. |
LRH: How did she escape knowing about it? | LRH: Very good. Do you actually remember now suppressing that? |
PC: Oh, well, my sister was very effective in patching up wounds. | PC: Yeah. Sure. You wouldn’t uh – that’s a now-I’m-supposed-to, actually. I mean, you wouldn’t go around saying you’d bashed your brother’s head in. |
LRH: Mm-hm. Mm-mm. She helped you suppress this. | LRH: Yeah, but did your mama know about it? |
PC: Yeah. Well, actually my brother did too. | PC: I don’t think so. |
LRH: He helped you, too. | LRH: Now, how did she escape knowing about it? |
PC: Well, we protected each other from our parents. | PC: oh, well, my sister was very effective in patching up wounds. |
LRH: All right. Very good. And did you get your brother to agree not to tell? | LRH: Mm-hm. Mm-mm. She helped you suppress this. |
PC: No it was a tacit agreement. | PC: Yeah. Well, actually my brother did, too. |
LRH: I see. You didn't tell him not to tell. | LRH: He helped you, too. |
PC: No | PC: Well, we protected each other from my parents. |
LRH: You just knew he wouldn't. | LRH: All right. Very good. And did you get your brother to agree not to tell? |
PC: Yeah. I just knew he wouldn't. | PC: No, it was a tacit agreement. |
LRH: And your father didn't find out? | LRH: I see. You didn’t tell him not to tell. |
PC: No. | PC: No. |
LRH: And your mother didn't ... | LRH: You just knew he wouldn’t. |
PC: I know my father didn't. | PC: Yeah. I just knew he wouldn’t. |
LRH: Your mother didn't find out? | LRH: And your father didn’t find out? |
PC: I'm not sure... | PC: No. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | LRH: And your mother didn’t… |
PC: about my mother, whether it was Mother that patched him. Mother would have protected us ... | PC: I know my father didn’t. |
LRH: Well, did your sister even know? | LRH: Your mother didn’t find out? |
PC: (Sigh) Well ... (pause) I don't know. I don't know. It was either Mother or my sister Agatha that patched him up. And if it was Mother, my sister didn't know. | PC: I’m not sure… |
LRH: Hm? | LRH: Mm-hm. |
PC: If it was Mother that patched him up, then my sister didn't know. | PC: … about my mother, whether it was Mother that patched him. Mother would have protected us… |
LRH: Well, which is it that didn't know? | LRH: Well, did your sister even know? |
PC: I don't know. Must have been my sister because I think my mother would have beat me up, and I don't remember getting beaten up by my mother. I'm just assuming now though. | PC: Well, I don’t know. I don’t know. It was either Mother or my sister Agatha that patched him up. And if it was Mother, my sister didn’t know. |
LRH: You got this figured out that way. | LRH: Hm? |
PC: Yeah! | PC: If it was Mother that patched him up, then my sister didn’t know. |
LRH: Yeah. | LRH: Well, which is it that didn’t know? |
PC: It's just logical. | PC: I don’t know. Must have been my sister because I think my mother would have beaten me up, and I don’t remember getting beaten up by my mother. I’m just assuming now though. |
LRH: But here's a head injury - here's a head injury that remained a secret to your family. | LRH: You got this figured out that way. |
PC: (pause) Hm. | PC: Yeah! |
LRH: Is that right? | LRH: Yeah. |
PC: Mm-hm. | PC: It’s just logical. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: But here’s a head injury – here’s a head injury that remained a secret to your family. |
PC: That s not unusual. | PC: Hm. |
LRH: All right. It's not unusual, but I'm just pointing out that here is ... | LRH: Is that right? |
PC: Mm-hm. | PC: Mm-mm. |
LRH: ... an incident of that character. What else did you do to bloody your brothers up? | LRH: All right. |
PC: (pause) Well, I've got the later incident with my brother Jake when we got into a fight. | PC: That’s not unusual. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | LRH: All right. It’s not unusual, but I’m just pointing out that here is… |
PC: I didn't bloody him up though. Oh, I guess I did. I scratched him. | PC: Mm-mh. |
LRH: Oh, you guess you did it. | LRH: … an incident of that character. What else did you do to bloody your brothers up? |
PC: Uh yes, I did. | PC: Well, I’ve got the later incident with my brother Jake when we got into a fight. |
LRH: Now come on. Did you or didn't you? | LRH: Mm-hm. |
PC: Yes, I did. | PC: I didn’t bloody him up though. Oh, I guess I did. I scratched him. |
LRH: All right. When was it? | LRH: oh, you guess you did it. |
PC: Oh, that was way later. I was about fifteen. | PC: Yes, I did. |
LRH: All right, honey. And what did that consist of? | LRH: Now come on. Did you or didn’t you? |
PC: You mean, you want all of it? (chuckles) | PC: Yes, I did. |
LRH: Well ... | LRH: All right. When was it? |
PC: (laughs) Well, I was supposed to fix has lunch, and I didn't. So he tried to get me to fix his lunch, and I fought back. | PC: oh, that was way later. I was about fifteen. |
LRH: Yeah. And what did you do? | LRH: All right, honey. And what did that consist of? |
PC: Well I just uh ... See, I was littler than he was. And I just fought like I wasn't. | PC: You mean, you want all of it? |
LRH: All right. Okay. | LRH: Well… |
PC: And I - he got so mad that he forgot I was littler, and we had a fought like we were evenly matched. | PC: Well, I was supposed to fix his lunch, and I didn’t. So he tried to get me to fix his lunch, and I fought back. |
LRH: Yeah. What did you do to him? | LRH: Yeah. And what did you do? |
PC: Oh. just uh . . it was pretty dispersed, but I - I kicked and clawed and bit ... | PC: Well, I just uh… See, I was littler than he was. And I just fought like I wasn’t. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | LRH: All right. Okay. |
PC: in any part of the body that I could - could get ahold of ... | PC: And I – he got so mad that he forgot I was littler, and we had a fight like we were evenly matched. |
LRH: All right. Good. And what did you do? | LRH: Yeah. What did you do to him? |
PC: Uh ... well, mostly scratched him and bit him. | PC: oh, just uh – it was pretty dispersed, but I – I kicked and clawed and bit… |
LRH: All right. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
PC: ... kicked - yeah, I kicked him, too. | PC: … in any part of the body that I could get ahold of |
LRH: Did you bloody him up? | LRH: All right. Good. And what did you do? |
PC: Don't - he got - I don't have a picture, but I assume if I - if scratched, I would have bloodied him up. Sure. | PC: Uh – shhh… well, mostly w-w-w-w – scratched him and bit him. |
LRH: Mmm. | LRH: All right. |
PC: I mean I ... | PC: I kicked… yeah, I kicked him, too. |
LRH: Well, what do you know you've done there? | LRH: Did you bloody him up? |
PC: Just that I fought tooth and toenail ... | PC: I don’t have a picture, but I assume if I – if I scratched, I would have bloodied him up. Sure. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: Mmm. |
PC: ... with all the strength I could conjure up at fifteen ... | PC: I mean, I… |
LRH: That's good. | LRH: Well, what do you know you’ve done there? |
PC: ... with this body. | PC: Just that I fought tooth and toenail… |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. |
PC: Now I know. | PC: … with all the strength I could conjure up at fifteen… |
LRH: All right. And who did you both keep that from? | LRH: That’s good. |
PC: Mother. | PC: … with this body. |
LRH: All right. Anybody else? | LRH: All right. |
PC: Dad. | PC: That I know. |
LRH: All right. Okay. That's all. | LRH: All right. And who did you both keep that from? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Mother. |
LRH: Seems like seems like you didn't seem to enjoy the confidence of your parents anywhere along the line. | LRH: All right. Anybody else? |
PC: I didn't. (chuckles) | PC: Dad. |
LRH: You didn't, huh? | LRH: All right. Okay. That’s all? |
PC: Oh, no. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: What did you do? Has this lifetime been a career of keeping things away from your mother? | LRH: Seems like you didn’t seem to enjoy the confidence of your parents anywhere along the line. |
PC: Mm-mm. Mostly Dad. | PC: I didn’t. |
LRH: Mostly Dad. | LRH: You didn’t, huh? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: oh, no. |
LRH: Mother? Keeping things from Mother? | LRH: What did you do? Has this lifetime been a career of keeping things away from your mother? |
PC: Well, yeah. There would be some type things I'd keep from Mother, and there'd be other type. | PC: Mm-mm. Mostly Dad. |
LRH: Sex. | LRH: Mostly Dad. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Sex you'd keep from Mother. | LRH: Mother? Keeping things from Mother? |
PC: Yeah. I'd keep from Mother. | PC: Well, yeah. There would be some type things I’d keep from Mother, and there’d be other type… |
LRH: That's good. | LRH: Sex. |
PC: And anything that would provoke my dad's temper, I would keep from Dad. And fighting would provoke his temper, you see? | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Mm-hm. All right. He'd get mad, in other words. | LRH: Sex you’d keep from Mother. |
PC: Oh, he'd get... Yeah. | PC: Yeah. I’d keep from Mother. |
LRH: He'd get furious. | LRH: That’s good. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: And anything that would provoke my Dad’s temper, I would keep from Dad. And fighting would provoke his temper, you see? |
LRH: All right. So keeping things from Dad? That's bing, bing. | LRH: Mm-hm. All right. He’d get mad, in other words. |
Now, what type of thing would you keep from Dad? | PC: oh, he’d get… Yeah. |
PC: Well, I'd keep breakage... | LRH: He’d get furious. |
LRH: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: ... getting unto trouble with uh ... | LRH: All right. So keeping things from Dad. That’s bing, bing. Now, what type of thing would you keep from Dad? |
LRH: Good. | PC: Well, I keep breakage… |
PC: ... the school authorities. | LRH: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. | PC: … getting into trouble with uh… |
PC: And beating up the guy who tried to beat us up for stealing his watermelons. | LRH: Good. |
LRH: Right. | PC: … the school authorities. |
PC: These things. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: Go on. | PC: And beating up the guy who tried to beat us up for stealing his watermelons |
PC: Just if I would get into trouble ... | LRH: Right. |
LRH: All right. | PC: These things. |
PC: ... I would keep it from Dad. | LRH: Go on. |
LRH: Any trouble ... | PC: Just if I would get into trouble… |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: ... would be kept from Dad. | PC: … I would keep it from Dad. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Any trouble… |
LRH: So he's the symbol of no - communication if in trouble. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: (chuckles) Yeah. | LRH: … would be kept from Dad. |
LRH: Is that right? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Well, he's more than that. He wouldn't let us talk to him, actually, either. | LRH: so he’s the symbol of no communication if in trouble. |
LRH: He said, no, huh? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: He just said "Don't talk! Just talk when you 're spoken to." | LRH: Is that right? |
LRH: Oh, I see. All right. | PC: Well, he’s more than that. He wouldn’t let us talk to him, actually, either. |
PC: And we hat that one and then the other one, we don't talk if we got into trouble, because why invite more trouble? | LRH: He said, „No,“ huh? |
LRH: All right. How did you trap your father? | PC: He just said „Don’t talk! Just talk when you’re spoken to.“ |
PC: Oh! Gee! I did that with ARC. | LRH: oh, I see. All right. |
LRH: All right. How did you do that? | PC: And we had that one and then the other one, we don’t talk if we got into trouble, because why invite more trouble? |
PC: Just uh ... (sighs) I ... | LRH: All right. How did you trap your fathers |
LRH: Go on. | PC: oh! Gee! I did that with ARC. |
PC: Well, I just wouldn't let him keep this game going. I moved in, got close to him. | LRH: All right. How did you do that? |
LRH: Hm-hm. | PC: Just uh – uh – mmm – uh… |
PC: Got him off of this German "I am the father and you are the child, so therefore you must never speak to me unless you're spoken to." | LRH: Go on. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | PC: Well, I just wouldn’t let him keep this game going. I moved in, got close to him. |
PC: I just would speak to him. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
LRH: Mm. | PC: Got him off of this German „I am the father and you are the child, so therefore you must never speak to me unless you’re spoken to.“ |
PC: I would demonstrate affection. | LRH: Mm-hm. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | PC: I just would speak to him. |
PC: And it worked. | LRH: Mm. |
LRH: All right. What didn't he find out about this? | PC: I would demonstrate affection. |
PC: Hmm. (sighs) Well, mostly what he didn't find out was that he didn't have a prayer with ... with this - with our family after he got off of that one that he used to control us. | LRH: Mm-hm. |
LRH: All right. And what didn't he have a prayer with, how, exactly? | PC: And it worked. |
PC: Well, he didn't have a prayer with me or the rest of the family, I think. | LRH: All right. What didn’t he find out about this? |
LRH: Good. Now how did you trap him, specifically and exactly? | PC: Hmm. Well, mostly what he didn’t find out was that he didn’t have a prayer with our family after he got off of that one that he used to control us. |
PC: Well, I don't remember exactly when it was, but I know there was the first time when I kissed him. | LRH: All right. And what didn’t he have a prayer with, now, exactly? |
LRH: I see. | PC: Well, he didn’t have a prayer with me or – or the rest of the family. |
PC: You know? | LRH: Good. Now how did you trap him specifically and exactly? |
LRH: All right. Very, very good. When was that? | PC: Well, I don’t remember exactly when it was, but I know there was the first time when I kissed him. |
PC: Uh ... | LRH: I see. |
LRH: That's it. | PC: You know? |
PC: Well, that was, I would should say 1938. But, actually, what I'd - happened is I stumbled onto this earlier incident of violence. | LRH: All right. Very, very good. When was that? |
LRH: Of what? | PC: Uh… |
PC: Of violence with him ... | LRH: That’s it. |
LRH: Yeah? | PC: Well, that was, I would – should say 1938. But, actually, what I’d – happened is I stumbled onto this earlier incident of violence. |
PC: which was not an answer to our question. (laughs) | LRH: of what? |
LRH: I didn't get what this earlier incident was of ... | PC: Of violence with him… |
PC: Well, I've got an incident when I was sixteen when I stopped him from beating Mother. | LRH: Yeah? |
LRH: Oh, I see. | PC: … which was not an answer to your question. |
PC: And it got into a violent - violent incident rather than ... | LRH: With – what – I didn’t get what this earlier incident was of… |
LRH: I see. | PC: Well, I’ve got an incident when I was sixteen when I stopped him from beating Mother. |
PC: an incident of affection. | LRH: oh, I see. |
LRH: Oh, all right. That's perfectly all right. | PC: And it got into a violent – violent incident rather than… |
PC: Mm. | LRH: I see. |
LRH: Nobody is worrying about this. | PC: … an incident of affection. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: oh, all right. That’s perfectly all right. |
LRH: Now, you trapped him with a kiss. Is that right? | PC: Mm. |
PC: Mm-hm. | LRH: Nobody is worrying about this. |
LRH: All right. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: That's - was affection there that actually trapped him. | LRH: Now, you trapped him with a kiss. Is that right? |
LRH: An affection. Did you feel the affection? | PC: Mm-hm. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. Very good. Now, something wrong with affection here, honey. | PC: That was affection there that actually trapped him. |
PC: Well ... | LRH: An affection. Did you feel the affection? |
LRH: What is this all about? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Well, you don't demonstrate affection to a German father! | LRH: All right. Very good. Something wrong with affection here, honey? |
LRH: I know, but what about affection in general? | PC: Well… |
PC: Well, youuuuuuu - well, actually, it's a trap. | LRH: What is this all about? |
LRH: Uh-huh. | PC: Well, you don’t demonstrate affection to a German father! |
PC: It's - that traps men. | LRH: I know, but what about affection in general? |
LRH: Affection is a trap. | PC: Well, youuuuuuu – well, actually, it’s a trap. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Uh-huh. |
LRH: Is that - that's the way it equates. | PC: It’s – that traps men. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: Affection is a trap. |
LRH: That's the way it equates. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: That’s the way it equates. |
LRH: All right. Very good. | PC: Mmm. |
All right, (PC chuckles) who doesn't know about this? | LRH: That’s the way it equates. |
PC: Charlie doesn't know this. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Alright How about Jimmy? | LRH: All right. Very good. All right. Who doesn’t know about this? |
PC: Well, yeah, Jimmy doesn't know about this. Actually, this is what goes on with me with the students here, too. | PC: Charlie doesn’t know this. |
LRH: All right | LRH: All right. How about Jimmy? |
PC: I want to get close to them, but I already know it's a trap ... | PC: Well, yeah, Jimmy doesn’t know about this. Actually, that’s what’s – goes on with me with the students here, too. |
LRH: Yeah, go on. Go on. | LRH: All right. |
PC: to be affectionate. Go on what? Who else doesn't know? | PC: I want to get close to them, but I already know it’s a trap… |
LRH: Tell me. Go on. Who doesn't know about this? | LRH: Yeah, go on. Go on. |
PC: Oh! | PC: … to be affectionate. Go on what? Who else doesn’t know? |
LRH: Just get the roster out here. | LRH: Tell me. Go on. Who doesn’t know about this? |
PC: Well, my dad didn't know it. | PC: oh! |
LRH: All right. | LRH: Let’s get the roster out here. |
PC: My brothers. | PC: Well, my dad didn’t know it. |
LRH: That-a-girl. | LRH: All right. |
PC: My ... | PC: My brothers. |
LRH: That-a-girl. | LRH: That-a-girl. |
PC: (pause) Any - I - I've got it just it's in a trap - it's a trap if you - if you have affection for a man. | PC: My… |
LRH: I see. | LRH: That-a-girl. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Any… I’ve got it: it’s a trap if you have affection for a man. |
LRH: I see. All right. And who doesn't find out about this? | LRH: I see. |
PC: (sighs) Well, none of the - none of the men I've ever known. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Just the lot. | LRH: I see. All right. And who doesn’t find out about this? |
PC: Yeah! | PC: Uh… well, none of the men I’ve ever known. |
LRH: All right. Very good. Very good. That's all I was trying to check into. | LRH: Just the lot. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah! |
LRH: How about the little kids that you were around? | LRH: All right. Very good. Very good. That’s all I was trying to check into. |
PC: Well, it's all right to feel affection for kids. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Well, come on. How early did this start? | LRH: How about the little kids that you were around? |
PC: Well, it started early - real early with - me with my father. But like it was all right for me to feel ... | PC: Well, it’s all right to feel affection for kids. |
LRH: There we are. There we are. The tick tick. Started very early with you or your father. | LRH: Well, come on. How early did this start? |
PC: With my father. | PC: Well, it started uh – real early with me with my father. But like it was all right for me to feel… |
LRH: Did you - how old were you? Four, two, three, what? Four? Two? One? One? | LRH: There we are. There we are. The tick-tick. Started very early with you and your father. |
PC: Probably. | PC: With my father. |
LRH: But did you know at that time that it was a ... | LRH: Did you – what – how old were you? Four, two, three, what? Four? Two? One? One? |
PC: No. | PC: Probably. |
LRH: ... action? | LRH: But did you know at that time that it was a… |
Well, when did you overtly use this to betray him? | PC: No. |
PC: Well that time when I was eight - eighteen. | LRH: … action? Well, when did you overtly use this to betray him? |
LRH: All right. And what happened there exactly? Now, we got onto that a moment ago and got off of it. | PC: Well, that time when I was eighteen. |
PC: Well, just I intended to get him off of this other one he had on. You know, where he's totally individuated. So I demonstrated the affection for him ... | LRH: All right. And what happened there exactly? Now, we got onto that a moment ago and got off of it. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | PC: Well, just I intended to get him off of this other one he had on. You know, where he’s totally individuated. So I demonstrated the affection for him… |
PC: and then ... hmm ... like he was trapped and I was trapped, both, on this one. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
LRH: Hm-hm. Is that so? | PC: … and then – hmm – like he was trapped and I was trapped, both, on this one. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Hm-hm. Is that so? |
LRH: All right. What didn't appear there? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Hmm. (long pause) This one flipped ... I - I have trouble with it because I don't ever know whether it's what's supposed to. You know, like a thing that didn't appear there was just actually a warning or a - of things to come. | LRH: All right. And what didn’t appear there? |
LRH: All right. All right. Very good. What things to come? | PC: Hmm. This one flipped… I have trouble with it because I don’t ever know whether it’s – oh – what’s supposed to. You know, like the thing that didn’t appear there was just actually a warning of things to come. |
PC: Well, like he was vulnerable then. Mother used this one on him particularly. | LRH: All right. All right. Very good. What things to come? |
LRH: Hm-hm. | PC: Well, like he was vulnerable then. Mother used this one on him particularly. |
PC: She would withdraw affection from him. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
LRH: All right. Very good. And who didn't find out about it? | PC: She would withdraw affection from him. |
PC: Well, actually I didn't find out about it at that point. I didn't realize that's what I was doing. | LRH: All right. Very good. And who didn’t find out about it? |
LRH: All right. When did you decide this was what you were doing? | PC: Well, actually I didn’t find out about it at that point. I didn’t realize that’s what I was doing. |
PC: Well just - I didn't really connect it up until now. | LRH: All right. When did you decide this is what you were doing? |
LRH: Oh, all right. Very good. Very good. | PC: Well, jus – I didn’t really connect it up until now… |
PC: That - that this is part of the thing that goes on with me. | LRH: oh, all right. Very good. Very good. |
LRH: All right. | PC: … that this is part of the thing that goes on with me. |
PC: That used to bug me. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. This seems real to you. | PC: That used to bug me. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: All right. This seems real to you? |
LRH: I haven't forced any cognition's on you, have I? | PC: Mmm. |
PC: No no. of course not. See, this - I have got a late incident. It happened here on course - is the lost incident. | LRH: I haven’t forced any cognitions on you, have I? |
LRH: Yeah? Yeah. Well, there's a whole series of these incidents. | PC: No, no, of course not. See, this – I have got a late incident. It happened here on course – is the last incident. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Yeah? Yeah. Well, there’s a whole series of these incidents. |
LRH: And they consist of "trapped with affection." | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: And they consist of „trapped with affection.“ |
LRH: Trapped with affection. | PC: Mmm. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: Trapped with affection. |
LRH: All right. All right. Very good. Okay. | PC: Mmm. |
Now, how far back does this go? | LRH: All right. All right. Very good. Okay. Now, how far back does this go? |
PC: Well, it doesn't go - just to trap with affection doesn't go. I just wouldn't do it. I never would do that, I don't think. (long pause) I don't remember any earlier incidents. I mean, I would try not to. | PC: Well, it doesn’t go… Just to trap with affection doesn’t go. I just wouldn’t do it. I never would do that, I don’t think. I don’t remember any earlier incidents. I mean, I would try not to. |
LRH: Try not to trap with affection. | LRH: Try not to trap with affection. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: And what does that do? What's the result of that? | LRH: Then what does that do? What’s the result of that? |
PC: You're lonely. | PC: You’re lonely. |
LRH: Oh, I see. So if you use affection, you trap? | LRH: oh, I see. So if you use affection, you trap. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: And if you don't use affection, you don't trap? | LRH: And if you don’t use affection, you don’t trap. |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: I see. All right, honey. All right. And that's very interesting. When is the first time you really trapped a man that way? Or a boy? | LRH: I see. All right, honey. All right. And uh… That’s very interesting. When is the first time you really trapped a man that way? Or a boy? |
PC: Oh, wait a minute. I do have some incidents on this. Actually, I've got an incident with a priest. | PC: oh, wait a minute. I do have some incidences on this. Actually, I’ve got an incident with a priest. |
LRH: Hm? | LRH: Hm? |
PC: (laughs) With a priest ... | PC: With a priest… |
LRH: Oh, yeah. | LRH: oh, yeah. |
PC: this life. Yeah. Father O'Sullivan. That's what happened there; it just ... | PC: … this life. Yeah. Father O’Sullivan. That’s what happened there; it was just… |
LRH: All right. What life was that? | LRH: All right. What life was that? |
PC: This life. | PC: This life. |
LRH: This life? | LRH: This life? |
PC: Yeah. Huh. | PC: Yeah. Huh. |
LRH: You were a ... | LRH: You were a… |
PC: ...was a Catholic this life you see. | PC: I was a Catholic this life, you see. |
LRH: Oh, yeah; All right. | LRH: oh, yeah. All right. |
PC: And I was uh - oh, fifteen, sixteen, when Father O'Sullivan was our parish priest. | PC: And I was, oh, fifteen, sixteen, when Father O’Sullivan was our parish priest. |
LRH: All right. Good. And what happened? | LRH: All right. Good. And what happened? |
PC: Well, it was just I got - just got real - close to him. | PC: Well, it was just uh – I got – just got real close to him. |
LRH: Good. | LRH: Good. |
PC: Got to liking him. | PC: Got to liking him. |
LRH: Good. | LRH: Good. |
PC: And he - it was a real close, affectionate situation. Nothing sexual. | PC: And he – it was a – a real close, affectionate situation. Nothing sexual. |
LRH: I know, but uh ... | LRH: I know, but uh… |
PC: It was affec - there was a lot of affection ... | PC: There was a lot of affection… |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. |
PC: ... there for - for one - me for him and him for me. | PC: … there – me for him and him for me. |
LRH: Okay. Now, exactly what occurred. Something must have occurred. | LRH: Okay. Now exactly what occurred? Something must have occurred. |
PC: Well, yeah. l was actually ... This is - this is interesting in view of the fact I said I'm stupid. I was the outstanding student in the catechism class. | PC: Well, yeah. I was actually… Thisssss is – this is interesting in view of the fact Dad said I’m stupid. I was the outstanding student in the catechism class. |
LRH: Ah! Very good. | LRH: Ah! Very good. |
PC: And got just well, just uh, by being outstanding and smart in catechism, I attracted his attention. | PC: And uh – got just uh… Well, just uh – by being outstanding and smart in catechism, I attracted his attention. |
LRH: All right. Good. | LRH: All right. Good. |
PC: And just ... I've got a real pull for the affection for him. | PC: And I just got a real pug for the affection for him. |
LRH: Hm-hm. Go on. | LRH: Hm-hm. Go on. |
PC: Well, this one was pretty disastrous, because you don't really get that close to a priest. | PC: Well, this one was pretty disastrous, because you don’t really get that close to a priest. |
LRH: Yeah, all right. | LRH: Yeah, all right. |
PC: It violates the ... | PC: It violates the… |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. |
PC: (laughs) ... all that's holy in the "Catholic church," you see? | PC: …“all that’s holy in the Catholic Church,” you see? |
LRH: Right. | LRH: Right. |
PC: But that's all that happened. There wasn't any ... | PC: But that’s all that happened. There wasn’t any uh… |
LRH: Well now, what was disastrous about it? (brief pause) That's it. | LRH: Well now, what was disastrous about it? That’s it. |
PC: Well, for one thing, l don't think he's any longer a priest. | PC: Well, for one thing, I don’t think he’s any longer a priest. |
LRH: Oh, really? | LRH: uh, really? |
PC: Don't think so. | PC: I don’t think so. |
LRH: What did you do? | LRH: What did you do? |
PC: Well, I don't think I did ... I think I just contributed to this one. | PC: Well, I don’t think I did… I think I just contributed to this one. |
LRH: Yeah, but what happened? There's a ... | LRH: Yeah, but what happened? There’s a… |
PC: Just - just that I - I got closer to a priest than a girl ... | PC: Just that I – I got closer to a priest than a girl… |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. |
PC: ... is supposed to get to a priest. | PC: … is supposed to get to a priest. |
LRH: And then what happened? | LRH: And then what happened? |
PC: Then he left town. | PC: Then he left town. |
LRH: Why did he leave town? | LRH: Well, why did he leave town? |
PC: I don't know but I do know that he was moved to an Indian mission, which is a reduction in status for a priest. | PC: Uh – I don’t know, but I do know that he was moved to an Indian mission, which is a reduction in status for a priest. |
LRH: All right. Well, what occurred? What happened there? You got a - you're leaving me with blank. | LRH: All right. Well, what occurred? What happened there? You got a – you’re leaving me with a blank. |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: All right. You're very bright in class, and you get next to this priest, and then he leaves town. | LRH: All right. You’re very bright in class, and you get next to this priest, and then he leaves town. |
PC: Well, there - actually, there wasn't anything else did happen. | PC: Well, there – actually, there wasn’t anything else did happen. |
LRH: Well, what did you do that was an overt? | LRH: Well, what did you do that was an overt? |
PC: Just got that close to him. | PC: Just got that close to him. |
LRH: And that what? | LRH: And that what? |
PC: Just to form that much of a personal relationship with him. | PC: Just to form uh – that much of a personal relationship with him. |
LRH: Yeah. | LRH: Yeah. |
PC: To be on that uh ... just on the same basis with him rather than as a priest - girl in the parish. | PC: To get on that ah – ah – just on the same basis with him rather than as a priest – girl in the parish. |
LRH: Good. Bing-bing. Now what ... There's something there, see? | LRH: Good. Bing, bing. Now what… There’s something there, see? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: There's something there. There's something more there than just that. | LRH: There’s something there. There’s something more there than just that. |
PC: There is? | PC: There is? |
LRH: What is it? | LRH: What is it? |
PC: Well, there's - there was an incident there when uh ... | PC: Well, there’s – there was an incident there when… |
LRH: Yeah, that's what we want. What is it? | LRH: Yeah, that’s what we want. What is it? |
PC: I went into a game with him that you don't - you shouldn't play with a priest. Like I... got mad at him and told him I was never going to speak to him again. And then he got me to speak to him again. I was walking down the street one day and I saw him, and I just had my head ... I wasn't going to speak to him. | PC: I went into a game with him that you don’t – you shouldn’t play with a priest. Like I got mad at him and told him I was never going to speak to him again. And then he got me to speak to him again. I was walking down the street one day and I saw him, and I just had my head – I wasn’t going to speak to him. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
PC: And as he passed me, he put his face into my face and said, "Hello." | PC: And as he passed me, he put his face into my face and said „Hello.“ |
LRH: Hm-hm. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
PC: And we got back into communication again. | PC: And we got back into communication again. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
PC: But there really... That's about all ... | PC: But there really… That’s about all… |
LRH: Nothing else happened? | LRH: Nothing else happened? |
PC: No. | PC: No. |
LRH: Was there anything happened there? Was there anything happened with that priest? | LRH: Was there anything happened there? Was there anything happened with that priest? |
PC: Mm-mm. That's an - that's enough. | PC: Mm-mm. That’s an – that’s… |
LRH: Was this kind of charged? | LRH: Was this kind of charged? |
PC: Well, that's enough! | PC: Well, that’s enough! |
LRH: What's enough? | LRH: What’s enough? |
PC: Well, to get that close to a priest! You're not supposed to get close to a priest. Now - uh? | PC: Well, to get that close to a priest! You’re not supposed to get close to a priest. Now – uh? |
LRH: What did you do to the man? | LRH: What did you do to the man? |
PC: I don't know. | PC: I don’t know. |
LRH: Would this ruin him in some way? What's the overt here? Showing affection? | LRH: Would this ruin him in some way? What’s the overt here? Showing affection? |
PC: Well, it's - it's knocking him off his priest - priestliness. I mean, he was a man instead of a priest. | PC: Well, it’s – it’s knocking him off his priest uh – priestliness. I mean, he was a man instead of a priest. |
LRH: All right. All right. But what happened here, exactly? Did you set out to plan to do this? | LRH: All right. All right. But what happened here, exactly? Did you set out to plan to do this? |
PC: No. | PC: No. |
LRH: Did you know this was bad? | LRH: Did you know this was bad? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: You did know this was bad? | LRH: You did know this was bad? |
PC: Mm-hm. | PC: Mm-mh. |
LRH: Well, you went ahead and did it, though. | LRH: Well, you went ahead and did it though. |
PC: Mm. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: Oh, you knew it was bad ... | LRH: uh, you knew it was bad… |
PC: Mm. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: ... and you went head and did it. | LRH: … and you went ahead and did it. |
PC: Well sure. | PC: Well, sure. |
LRH: All right. Who didn't find out about it? | LRH: All right. Who didn’t find out about it? |
PC: Oh, well, hell, my mother didn't find out about that, or any of the church people. | PC: uh, well, hell, my mother didn’t find out about that or any of the church people. |
LRH: All right. Very good. | LRH: All right. Very good. |
PC: Besides that, if they'd have found out about it, they'd have said I was uh ... trying to sleep with him, which I wasn't, I don't think. | PC: Besides that, if they’d hare found out about it, they’d hare said I was uh – trying to sleep with him, which I wasn’t – I don’t think. |
LRH: Hm-hm. All right. All right. Okay. And what appeared there then? | LRH: All right. All right. Okay. And what appeared there then? |
PC: Well, a man instead of a priest! | PC: Well, a man instead of a priest! |
LRH: Oh, all right. All right. And who didn't find out about that? | LRH: uh, all right. All right. And who didn’t find out about that? |
PC: Well, he didn't. | PC: Well, he didn’t. |
LRH: All right. Very good. Now, when was this exactly? | LRH: All right. Very good. Now, when was this exactly? |
PC: In '36. I was sixteen, I think. | PC: In ‘36. I was sixteen, I think. |
LRH: Over what period of time was it? How many weeks? months? days? | LRH: Over what period of time was it? How many weeks? Months? Days? |
PC: Uh ... was that - that summer when I was being prepared for confirmation. | PC: Uh – it was that summer when I was being prepared for confirmation. |
LRH: Go on. | LRH: Go on. |
PC: Uh ... was in the summertime - was in summer school. I was being prepared for confirmation, to it was over a period of weeks. | PC: Was in the summertime – was in summer school. I was being prepared for confirmation, so it was over a period of weeks. |
LRH: Over a period of weeks. | LRH: Over a period of weeks. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Very good. And what didn't appear there? | LRH: Very good. And what didn’t appear there? |
PC: Hm. I'm hung up on a - occurrence there, too. | PC: Hm. I’m hung up on a occurrence there too. |
LRH: What is the occurrence? | LRH: What is the occurrence? |
PC: Well, he flipped me one time when he was testing us finally for our uh ... whether we were fit to be confirmed. And he tested all the other students on uh ... the catc - the catechism. | PC: Well, he flipped me one time when he was testing us finally for our uh – whether we were fit to be confirmed. And he tested all the other students on the catechism… |
LRH: Mm-hm. | LRH: Mm-hm. |
PC: But he asked me questions out of the Bible. That was a betrayal, because I didn't know anything about the Bible. | PC: … but he asked me questions out of the Bible. That was a betrayal, ‘cause I didn’t know anything about the Bible. |
LRH: Oh, I see. All right. Good enough. And who didn't find out about it? | LRH: uh, I see. All right. Good enough. And who didn’t find out about it? |
PC: What... | PC: What… |
LRH: Who didn't get any answers? (LRH: and PC laugh) | LRH: Who didn’t get any answers? |
PC: He didn't. He didn't. I hit a blank. | PC: He didn’t. He didn’t. I hit a blank. |
LRH: All right. You hit a blank. | LRH: All right. You hit a blank. |
PC: Ah. | PC: uh. |
LRH: That's quite interesting. Before that, you were bright. Is that what you are saying? | LRH: That’s quite interesting. Before that, you were bright. Is that what you are saying |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: And after that you were stupid. | LRH: And after that you were stupid. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. How do you account for this? | LRH: All right. How do you account for this? |
PC: Why, that I was just - I was going to ... cognite (laughs) on this. I was wondering if this had any connection with ... | PC: Why, that I was just – I was going to cognite on this. I was wondering if this had any connection with… |
LRH: Well, is that correct? | LRH: Well, is that correct? |
PC: Well yeah. It - just after that I had . . | PC: Well, yeah. It’s just after that I had… |
LRH: Am I rushing your cognition? | LRH: Am I rushing your cognition? |
PC: Yeah. You are. (laughs) | PC: Yeah. You are. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Good enough. | LRH: Good enough. |
PC: Cause it was - just that feeling there of stupidity. | PC: ‘Cause it was just that feel there of stupidity. |
LRH: You ever spot this before? | LRH: You ever spot this before? |
PC: No not really. | PC: No. Not really. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. |
PC: But I - there's something else there. | PC: But I – there’s something else there. |
LRH: Yeah. what is there? | LRH: Yeah, what is there? |
PC: Well, a feel there that I betrayed hm. | PC: Well, I feel there that I betrayed him. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | LRH: Mm-hm. |
PC: And... | PC: And… |
LRH: Did you? | LRH: Did you? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: How? | LRH: How? |
PC: I was supposed to be smart. I was supposed to know about the Bible. | PC: I was supposed to be smart. I was supposed to know about the Bible. |
LRH: Oh, I see. You were supposed to know ... | LRH: uh, I see. You were supposed to know… |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: ... about the Bible. | LRH: … about the Bible. |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: All right. And what happened? | LRH: All right. And what happened? |
PC: I didn't. | PC: I didn’t. |
LRH: Uh-huh. | LRH: Uh-huh. |
PC: I didn't ever... | PC: I didn’t ever… |
LRH: And who didn't find out about it? | LRH: And who didn’t find out about it? |
PC: Well, he did - he didn't find out it soon enough to not ask me the questions. | PC: Well, he didn’t find out it soon enough to not ask me the questions. |
LRH: I see. Well, when did this examination - this examination take place, in front of witnesses? | LRH: I see. Well, when did this examination – did this examination take place in front of witnesses? |
PC: Oh, yeah. Up in front of the other students. | PC: uh, yeah. Up in front of the other students. |
LRH: Oh, I see. All right. And that was a source of what to you? | LRH: uh, I see. All right. And that was a source of what to you? |
PC: Well, a source of failure on him, like I was supposed to ... | PC: Well, a source of failure on him, like I w supposed to… |
TBD | LRH: All right, what were you trying to cover up in front of these students, Dorothy? |
LRH: What were you trying to cover up in front of these students? | PC: Huh? |
PC: (Pause) Huh? | LRH: That area must be loaded with missed withholds. |
LRH: That area must be loaded with missed withholds. | PC: Well, did try to cover up that I was his favorite. |
PC: Well, I did try to cover up that he - that I was his favorite. | LRH: Yeah. All right. What else didn’t they find out there? |
LRH: Yeah. All right. What else didn't they find out there? | PC: Well, you know, what I have a feel of here is – that they failed to find out – was that I didn’t consider myself smart because I knew catechism. Catechism is a cinch. |
PC: (pause) Well, you know, what I have a feel of here is that they failed to find out, was that I didn't consider myself smart because I knew catechism. Catechism is a cinch. | LRH: Mm-hm. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | PC: I mean, there’s non – a knucklehead could learn about catechism. |
PC: I mean, there's - any knucklehead could learn about catechism. | LRH: All right. And they didn’t find out about that. |
LRH: All right. And they didn't find out about that? | PC: Mmm. xxxxxxx |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: All right. Very good. Now, did you do anything to this priest? |
LRH: All right. Very good. Now, did you to anything to this priest? | PC: Well, I sure let him down that day. |
PC: Well I sure let him down that day. | LRH: All right. Very good. This make him feel foolish? |
LRH: All right. Very good. This made him feel foolish? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Hm-hm. Did he look confused? |
LRH: Hm-hm. Did he look confused? | PC: Mmm. |
PC: Mm-hm. | LRH: All right. And what did you do there? |
LRH: All right. So what did you do there? | PC: Mm. I was noticing something else there, too. |
PC: Mm. I was noticing something else there, too. | LRH: What? |
LRH: What? | PC: Well, he expected… This has happened a lot in my life. He expected me to be smarter than I was. I didn’t come through, you know? |
PC: Well, he expected ... this has happened a lot in my life. He expected me to be smarter than I was. I didn't come through, you know? | LRH: Mm-hm. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | PC: I did an incident like that on you. |
PC: I've got an incident like that on you. | LRH: Yeah, yeah. All right. |
LRH: Yeah, yeah. All right. | PC: In ’55. |
PC: In '55. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Okay. And your brightness failed to appear, is that right? |
LRH: Okay. And your brightness failed to appear, is that right? | PC: Yeah! It sure d id, man! |
PC: Yeah! It sure did, man! | LRH: All right. Very good. |
LRH: All right. Very good. | PC: That’s right. It… |
PC: That's - that's right. It ... | LRH: Yeah. |
LRH: Yeah. | PC: … let me down, boy. It didn’t appear. |
PC: Let me down boy. It didn't appear. | LRH: All right. Very good. And who’s been in the dark about this? |
LRH: (chuckles) All right. Very good. And who hasn't found out - who's been in the dark about this? | PC: You. |
PC: You. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. | PC: It’s failing to appear here, too, you know – my brightness. Yeah. |
PC: It's failing to appear here, too, you know - (laughs) my brightness. Yeah. | LRH: All right. Okay. All right. Very good. All right. Then what’s the missed withhold? |
LRH: All right. Okay. All right. Very good. All right, then, what's the missed withhold? | PC: „I ain’t as bright as people think I am“ is actually the missed withhold. |
PC: I ain't as bright as people think I am, is actually the missed withhold. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | PC: I’m not. |
PC: I'm not. | LRH: Well, what uh – is that the thing that everybody misses on you? |
LRH: And well, what is that the thing that everybody misses on you? | PC: Mmm. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | PC: Mother and all. |
PC: Mother and all. | LRH: Everybody misses this. |
LRH: Everybody misses this. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: One and all. |
LRH: One and all. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. Let’s go back to this incident in the cornfield. |
LRH: All right. Let's go back to this incident in the cornfield. | PC: Okay. |
PC: Okay. | LRH: Is that a piece of it? |
LRH: Is that a piece of it? | PC: uh – I… |
PC: Uh. | LRH: Is that part of the same picture? |
LRH: Is that part of the same picture? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Yeah? Well, how is it part of the same picture?. |
LRH: Yeah? Well, how is it part of the same picture? | PC: Well, my brightness didn’t appear there, because if it had – have, I would have known that Mother – this was not one of Mother’s acceptability’s. She – that she – just… Sex was something she just couldn’t confront. |
PC: Well, my brightness didn't appear there, because if it had have, I would have known that Mother - this was not one of Mothers acceptability's. She - that she - just, sex was something she just couldn't confront. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. Okay. Now, is there any earlier incident when they – somebody should have known this? |
LRH: All right. Okay. Now, is there any earlier incident when somebody should have known this? | PC: No. Not that I remember. |
PC: (pause) No. That I - not that I remember. | LRH: All right. I don’t get anything clicking on the meter. |
LRH: All right. I don't get anything clicking on the meter. | PC: uh, good. |
PC: Oh, good. (sighs) | LRH: All right. Now, there seems to be there are a whole chain of incidents here. |
LRH: All right. Now, there seems to be, though, a whole chain of incidents here. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Something on this order. |
LRH: Something on this order. | PC: Yeah. There is. |
PC: Yeah. There is. | LRH: Describe this circumstance to me here just what we’ve been finding out and plumbing into here, and so forth. |
LRH: Just describe this circumstance to me here. Just what we've been finding out and plumbing into here, and so forth. | PC: Well, what I’ve got straight is that any darn fool can learn anything that they have – you know, that’s easy to learn. |
PC: Well what I've got straight is that any darn fool can learn anything that they have - you know, that's easy to learn. | LRH: Yeah. |
LRH: Yeah. | PC: But if it’s hard, I’m not bright. I can’t learn anything hard. |
PC: But uh, if it's hard, I'm not bright. I can't learn anything hard. | LRH: All right. Good. Click, click. There it is. |
LRH: All right. Good. Click-click. There it is. | PC: Yeah. Sure, I mean, Scientology auditing is hard. |
PC: Yeah. Sure, I mean, Scientology auditing is hard. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. | PC: Like, I can sit down and get a preclear to talk to me. |
PC: Like, I can sit town and get a preclear to talk to me. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. | PC: But I can’t do a heck of a lot with Class III stuff |
PC: But I can't do a heck of a lot with Class III stuff. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. | PC: You know? |
PC: You know? | LRH: Click, click. |
LRH: Click-click. | PC: Mmm. |
PC: (sniffs) Mmm. | LRH: Hm-hm. Well, how does this all add up? |
LRH: Hm-hm. Well, how does this all add up? | PC: Well, it adds up to „I am not acceptable to people as soon as they find out I’m not bright.“ That’s how it adds up. |
PC: (sighs; pause) Well, it adds up to "I am not acceptable to people as soon as they find out I'm not bright." That's how it adds up. | LRH: Now, what proved this to you when you were four or six or something like that? What… |
LRH: Now, what proved this to you when you were four or six or something like that? What... | PC: Well, because Mother told me I was not acceptable to her. |
PC: Well, because Mother told me I was no - not acceptable to her. | LRH: When did she say this? |
LRH: When did she say this? | PC: When I was four. |
PC: When I was four. | LRH: Hm-hm. What did you do? |
LRH: Hm hm. What did you do? | PC: I… |
PC: I ... | LRH: What had you done? |
LRH: What had you done? | PC: You mean because she said that? |
PC: You mean because she said that? | LRH: Mmm. PC: uh, I had communicated to her about an experience. [Please note: At this point there is a gap in the original recording. We now rejoin the session where the original recording resumes.] |
LRH: Mmm. | LRH: Is there another sexual incident when you were – there. Bing, bang What’s that? |
PC: Well, I had communicated to her about an experience that I thought she - you know, that ...[gap in recording] | PC: Well, I’ve always had a – a horror that one day I was going to get something un – unocoluded and find that my father had sexually… |
LRH: Is there another sexual incident when you were - that. Bing, bang. What's that? | LRH: All right. |
PC: Well, did - I've always had a - a horror that one day I was going to get something unoccluded and find that my father had sexually ... | PC: But I – I have no recall on this. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. Very good. We got the same tick-tick on your father here a while ago. |
PC: But I uh ... I have no recall on this. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: All right. Very good. We got the same tick-tick on your father here a while ago. | LRH: Now, what is this? Did something happen with your father? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: Now, what is this? Did something happen with your father? | LRH: Was there some sexual incident with your father? |
PC: Mm. | PC: No, except that he was capable of it. |
LRH: Was there some sexual incident with your father? | LRH: Bing. Bang. Is there a sexual incident with your father? |
PC: No, except that he was capable of it. | PC: Before? No. |
LRH: Bing. Bang. Is there a sexual incident with your father? | LRH: Well, at any time. |
PC: Before? No | PC: No. The only thing that I have on my father is that one time when I was taking a bath I didn’t pull the curtains, and he watched me through the window when I was naked. |
LRH: Well, at any time. | LRH: All right. |
PC: No. The only thing that I have on my father is that one time when I was taking a bath I didn't pull the curtains, and he uh ... watched me through the windows when I was naked. | PC: That’s all he did. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: When was that? |
PC: That's all he did. | PC: uh, I was eighteen – seventeen or eighteen by then. |
LRH: When was that? | LRH: All right. All right. Good. |
PC: Oh, I was eighteen - nine - seventeen or eighteen then - by then. | PC: And then, of course, the other thing I have is I’ve always been afraid of – my father was going to sexually molest me, ever since I was a child. I was afraid… |
LRH: All right. All right. Good. | LRH: Thought what? |
PC: And then, of course, the other thing I have is I've always been afraid of - my father was going to sexually molest me, ever since I was a child I was afraid ... | PC: Huh? |
LRH: Thought what? | LRH: Ever since you were what? |
PC: Huh? | PC: A child. |
LRH: Ever since you were what? | LRH: Yeah. You always were afraid of that. |
PC: A child. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Yeah. You always were afraid of that. | LRH: Well, who told you this? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Mother told me. |
LRH: Well, who told you this. | LRH: What did she tell you? |
PC: Well, Mother told me. | PC: Well, she told me that he wasn’t safe to be around. Girls weren’t safe to be around him. |
LRH: What did she tell you? | LRH: uh, I see. And who didn’t find out about her telling you? |
PC: Well, she told me that he wasn't uh ... safe to be around. Girls weren't safe to be around hm. | PC: Dad. |
LRH: Oh, I see. And who didn't find out about her telling you? | LRH: All right. Who else didn’t find out about it? Anybody else? |
PC: Dad. | PC: I doubt it. she used to scream this one to the high housetops whenever she was… |
LRH: All right. Who else didn't find out about it? Anybody else? | LRH: Well, what did she used to scream to the high housetops? |
PC: I doubt it. She used to scream this one to the high housetops whenever she was um ... | PC: That he was a monster and beast and all this type thing I… |
LRH: And what did she used to scream to the high housetop? | LRH: Is that so? |
PC: That he was a monster and a beast and all this type of thing. I ... | PC: Mm. |
LRH: Is that so? | LRH: All right. |
PC: Mm. | PC: My mother never d id uh… |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. Did anything of this character ever happen? |
PC: My mother never did uh ... uh ... | PC: With Dad, you mean? |
LRH: All right. Did anything of this character ever happen? | LRH: Yeah, mm. |
PC: Did - with Dad, you mean? | PC: Well, not that I know of. I’ve heard of incidences where he did. My mother… Actually, I’m sure it was true, but I didn’t know about it until later. |
LRH: Hm-mm. | LRH: What was true? |
PC: Well, not that I know of. I've heard of incidences where he did. My mother... | PC: Well, that he had molested my aunt when she was nine. |
Actually, I'm sure it was true, but I didn't know about it until later. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: What was true? | PC: But this was way before my time. LRH: Mmm. |
PC: Well, that he had molested my uh ... aunt when she was nine. | PC: And I didn’t find out about that till I was sixteen. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. Is any of this an overt against your father? |
PC: But uh this was way before my time. | PC: Well, now it is because I can – I have a – better understanding what was going on with him. Now, let’s see, was it at the times It seems like it was, some feel there but not any… |
LRH: Mmm. | LRH: All right. Well, what’s this four-year-old incident we’re looking for? |
PC: And I didn't find out about that till I was sixteen. | PC: Hmm. |
LRH: All right. Is any of this an overt against your father? | LRH: Tick-tick. What is it? Tick-tick, what is it? Come on. There it is. |
PC: (sighs) Well, now it is because I have a better understanding what was going on with him. Now, let's see, was it at the time? It seems like it was, some feel there but not any... | PC: Yeah. Well, this one’s been plaguing me ever since ‘50, and I don’t know what it is. |
LRH: Mm, all right. Well, what's this four year old incident we're looking for? | LRH: uh, you’ve had something plaguing you since ‘50. |
PC: Umm. | PC: Yeah. This turns up quite often. |
LRH: Tick-tick. What is it? Tick-tick what is it? Come on. There it is. | LRH: What? |
PC: Yeah. Well, this one's been plaguing me ever since '50, and I don't know what it is. | PC: Just that there… I get four and six mixed up. |
LRH: Oh, you've had something plaguing you since '50. | LRH: Is that the only thing about it that plagues you? |
PC: Yeah. This turns up quite often. | PC: No, just I feel like something did happen, but I don’t know what it is. |
LRH: What? | LRH: All right. All right. Very good. All right. Now, just think about this for a moment What happened to you when you were four? That’s it. |
PC: Just that there - I get four and six messed up. | PC: Well, what I thought of is I moved from North Dakota to Park City, but that happened to me, but… |
LRH: Is that the only thing about it that plagues you? | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: No it just uh ... I feel like something did happen, but I don't know what it is. | PC: … that doesn’t seem very significant. |
LRH: All right. All right. Very good. All right. Now, just think about this for a moment. | LRH: All right. What did you do? What did you do when you were four? That’s it. Tickety-tick. |
What happened to you when you were four? That's it. | PC: Now I have a stuck picture of the granary – when I was sitting in the granary. |
PC: Well, what I thought of is I moved from North Dakota to Park City, but that - that happened to me, but ... | LRH: Granary. |
LRH: Mm-mm. | PC: Mm. But I don’t know what I did. |
PC: ... that doesn't seem very significant. | LRH: What granary? |
LRH: All right. What did you do? What did you do when you were four? That's it Tickety-tick. | PC: This, I think, is in Park City. I think. |
PC: Now I have a stuck picture of the granary - when I was sitting in the granary. | LRH: All right. Well, who hasn’t found out about it? |
LRH: Granary. | PC: Most auditors. |
PC: Mm. But I don't know what I did. | LRH: All right. Who else hasn’t found out about it? |
LRH: What granary? | PC: Well, Mother didn’t… I don’t think Mother found out about it. |
PC: Uh - this I think, is in Park City. I think | LRH: All right. Who else hasn’t found out about this four-year-old incident? |
LRH: All right. Well, who hasn't found out about it? | PC: Well, I haven’t found out about it. |
PC: Most auditors | LRH: All right. Very good. How long haven’t you found out about it? |
LRH: All right. Who else hasn't found out about it? - | PC: Sheesh, ever since 1950, when it got dredged up somehow in engram running. |
PC: Well, Mother did ... I don't think Mother found out about it. | LRH: 1950. |
LRH: All right. Who else hasn't fount out about this four-year-old incident? | PC: Mmm. |
PC: (sighs) Well, I haven't found out about it. | LRH: Very good. Now, who missed that withhold in 1950? |
LRH: All right. Very good. How long haven't you found out about it? | PC: Mildred. |
PC: Sheesh, ever since 1950, when it got dredged up somehow in engram running. | LRH: Hm? |
LRH: 1950. | PC: Mild red. One of my first auditors. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: All right. And what did she miss? Tick-tick. |
LRH: Very good. Now, who missed that - withhold in 1950? | PC: Hm. Just missed that I feel there is something there and I don’t know what it is. |
PC: Mildred. | LRH: All right. Did you tell her there was something there? |
LRH: Hm? | PC: Well, it was more like she was making – you know, having me go earlier and earlier, and I would – I bumped into it. |
PC: Mildred. My first - one of my first auditors. | LRH: And what did you bump into? |
LRH: All right. And what did she miss? Tick-tick. | PC: Just uh – uh – more of a – a impression that something happened. |
PC: Hm. Just missed that I feel there is something there and I don't know what it is. | LRH: What’s the impression? What do you mean, impression? |
LRH: All right. Did you tell her there was something there? | PC: uh, all I get is just a picture flashes that I’m on this granary – I was sitting in the granary – and I’m sure I had something that I had stolen, but I don’t know what it is. And I’m sure it was something that belonged to the neighbor gal, and I don’t – I’m sure I was hiding. |
PC: Well, it was more like she was making - you know, having me go earlier and earlier, and I would - I bumped into it. | LRH: Mm-hm. |
LRH: And what did you bump into? | PC: But that’s all I can get on it. |
PC: Just uh ... uh ... more of a - an impression that something happened. | LRH: All right. Is that what you bumped into when you were – in 1950? |
LRH: What's the impression? What do you mean, impression? | PC: The impression. It didn’t really… |
PC: Four. All I get is - just a picture flashes that I'm on this granary - I was sitting in the grainary and I'm sure I had something that I had stolen, but I don't know what it is. | LRH: uh, you know more about it now… |
And I'm sure it was something that belonged to the neighbor gal, and I don't - I - I'm sure I was hiding. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | LRH: … than you did in ‘50. |
PC: But that's all I can get on it. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: All right. Is that what you bumped into when you were in 1950? | LRH: All right. Has this sort of haunted you, this little four-year-old period here? |
PC: Uh . . the impression - it didn't really ... | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Oh, you know more about it now than ... | LRH: All right. Well, who’s missed it as a withhold? |
PC: Yeah | PC: Well, Mildred missed it. |
LRH: ... you did in '50. | LRH: Who else? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Paul. |
LRH: All right. Has this sort of haunted you, this little four-year-old period here? | LRH: Good. Who else? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Actually, Donna is the one that dredged it up. I got more on it with her than in – any other auditor. |
LRH: All right. Well, who's missed it as a withhold? | LRH: uh, people have been looking for this? |
PC: Well Mildred missed it. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Who else? | LRH: I see. Good. And who’s missed it? |
PC: Paul. | PC: Um – Juanita. |
LRH: Good. Who else? | LRH: Good. Who else has missed it? |
PC: Actually, Donna is the one that uh ... dredged it up. I got more on it with her than any other auditor. | PC: Hm. I was looking at the ‘55 auditors – Hazel Hart. |
LRH: Oh, people have been looking for this? | LRH: All right. Good. Who else has missed it? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Actually, Dick missed it here on course. |
LRH: I see. Good. And who's missed it? | LRH: All right. |
PC: Um ... Juanita. | PC: Yeah. He was… |
LRH: Good. Who else has missed it? | LRH: Good. Good. |
PC: (sighs; pause) Hm. Uh, I was looking at the '55 auditors. Hazel Hart. | PC: … poking around in that area. |
LRH: All right. Good. Who else has missed it? | LRH: All right. Who else has missed it? |
PC: Actually, Dick missed it here on uh... course. | PC: That’s about all. The one I’m looking at here is just a long – all these auditors poking around trying to uncover this one and never being able to… |
LRH: All right. | LRH: Hm-hm. . |
PC: Yeah. He was ... | PC: … get it. |
LRH: Good. Good. | LRH: Did you think there was anything there originally? |
PC: ... poking around in that area. | PC: Uh – not uh – no, not really. |
LRH: All right. Who else has missed it. | LRH: You didn’t think there was anything… |
PC: That's about all. The one I'm looking at here is just a long - the - all these auditors poking around trying to uncover this one and never being able to ... | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | LRH: … there originally. |
PC: ... get it. | PC: Yeah. It’s just that uh… |
LRH: Did you think there was anything there originally? | LRH: Just a… |
PC: Uh . . not uh ... No, not really. | PC: … there should be something when I – 1 should have a time track when I’m four years old, shouldn’t I? |
LRH: You didn't think there was anything ... | LRH: I see. All right. All right. Why? Is it because the time track is missing there? |
PC: No | PC: That’s partially it. The other one is that I’ve got the confusion there. I’ve always had the six-year-old picture… |
LRH: ... there originally. | LRH: Mmm. |
PC: Yeah. It's just that uh ... | PC: … and I always got it confused: it’s four, it’s six; it’s four, it’s six. |
LRH: Just a ... | LRH: Mm-hm. And is this what they usually take off on? |
PC: ... there should be something when I - that I should have a time track when I'm four years old, shouldn't I? (laughs) | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: I see. All right. All right. Is it because the time track is missing there? | LRH: And so forth. And you usually bring this up. |
PC: That's partially it. The other one is that I have got the confusion there. I've always had the six-year-old picture ... | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Mmm. | LRH: Is that right? |
PC: ... and I always got it confused: it's now, it's six; it's four, it's six ... | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Mm-hm. And u this what they usually take off on? | LRH: Now, how do you always bring this up? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Because they ask me questions on it, and I never know what to do with it. I mean, how am I supposed to answer up to something I don’t remember? |
LRH: And so forth. And you usually bring this up. | LRH: All right. But how come this turns up in the first place? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Because my attention just goes that way. I go „bloomp“ on this picture, and then I go four, six. There must some – have been something happened at four. |
LRH: Is that right? | LRH: Mm-hm. |
PC: Mmm. | PC: I keep figuring on it. |
LRH: Now, how do you always bring this up? | LRH: Mm-mm. Well, who basically is missing this withhold? |
PC: (sighs) Because they ask me questions on it, and I never know what to do with it. I mean you - how am I supposed to answer up to something I don't remember? | PC: Well, I am, basically. LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. But how come this turns up in the first place? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Because my attention just goes that way. I go bloomp on this picture, and then I go four, six. There must some - been something happened at four. | LRH: All right. Fine. Is there anything there that’s withheld? |
LRH: Mm-hm. | PC: Just… |
PC: I go figuring on it. | LRH: Did anything happen when you were four? |
LRH: Hm-mm. Well, who basically is missing this withhold? | PC: I don’t know. You see, there must have been something happened, but I don’t know. |
PC: (sighs) Well, I am, basically. | LRH: Well, good. Well, why do you want auditors to look there? |
LRH: All right. | PC: I don’t, particularly. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Look, look-a-here. We’re going over this ground. |
LRH: All right. Fine. Is there anything there that's withheld? | PC: Mmm. |
PC: Just ... | LRH: How come we’re sitting there? |
LRH: Is there anything happened when you were four? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: I don't know. You see, th-there must - have been something happened, but I don't know. | LRH: That’s fascinating… |
LRH: Well, good. Well, why do you want auditors to look there? | PC: Yeah! |
PC: I don't, particularly. | LRH: … isn’t it? Now, is there something on either side of this that you want an auditor to avoid? I’m not asking you a dirty question. |
LRH: Look. Look-a-here. We're going over this ground. | PC: Mm, I don’t mind you asking. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: But is there something there that you want an avoidance on? Is there something there you’re trying to avoid? Is there something there you’re trying to get auditors to avoid? |
LRH: How come we're sitting there? | PC: No. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Nope. That’s right. This is clean. |
LRH: That's fascinating ... | PC: Mm. |
PC: Yeah! | LRH: See, I’ve got to ask these questions to straighten it out. |
LRH: ... isn't it? (pause) now, is there something on either side of this that you want an auditor to avoid? I'm not asking you a dirty question. | PC: Mmm. |
PC: Mm, I don 't mind you asking. | LRH: All right. Did anything happen when you were four? I don’t find anything on the meter. |
LRH: But is there something there you'd like to be - something there that you want an avoidance on? There something there you're trying to avoid? Is there something there you're trying to get auditors to avoid? | PC: Well, that’s fine with me. |
PC: No. | LRH: Well, who insisted there was something at four? I just asked you if there was something at four. I haven’t insisted there’s anything there. But who, amongst your auditors, insisted there was something there? |
LRH: Nope. That's right. This is clean. | PC: Well, I don’t know why they… |
PC: Hm-mm. | LRH: There is something right there. |
LRH: See, I've got to ask these questions to straighten it out. | PC: Yeah, well, I’m not sure that they insisted; just like it came up and they would poke. |
PC: Hm-mm. | LRH: They’d what? |
LRH: All right. Did anything happen when you were four? I don't find anything on - the meter. | PC: They’d poke in that area to see if we could open up the track. |
PC: (exhales) Well, that's fine with me. | LRH: Yeah. |
LRH: Well, who insisted there was something at four? I just asked you if there was something at four. I haven't insisted there's anything there. But who, amongst your auditors, insisted there was something there? | PC: You know? I don’t think they insisted on it, however. Like I would do the same thing I did tonight: It’s six, it’s four; it’s six, it’s four. |
PC: (sighs; pause) Well... (pause) Uh ... I don 't know what they ... | LRH: Well, what do you do? Cut your throat on the subject of sex when you were about six by telling on your brother? Is there some regret involved in this? |
LRH: There is something right there. | PC: Well, sure. |
PC: Yeah, well, I'm not sure that they insisted; just like it come up and they would poke. | LRH: Yeah, what’s the regret? |
LRH: They'd what? | PC: Well… Actually, the most regret I have on this is Mother. Because, I mean, I didn’t cut my brother’s throat on this one. I mean, Mother beat him up, but then that isn’t particularly disastrous. You know? |
PC: They'd poke on - in that area to see if we could open up the track. | LRH: Well, what’s disastrous there? |
LRH: Yeah. | PC: That my mother had uh… well, had her ideas of the way a l little girl should behave shook. |
PC: You know? Uh I don't think they insisted on it, however: Like I would do the same thing I did tonight: it's six, it's four, it's six, it's four. | LRH: Mmm. |
LRH: Well what do you do? Cut your throat on the subject of sex when you were about four - six by telling on your brother? Is there some regret involved in this? | PC: I hadn’t intended that. |
PC: Well, sure. | LRH: Mmm. Do something to your mother? |
LRH: Yeah, what's the regret? | PC: Well, sure, I jus-ss… I did… I indulged in sex play that was totally something she didn’t want me to do. Yeah, she’s got something like „you’re ruined if you do.“ you know? |
PC: (pause) Well ... (long pause; sighs) Actually: the most regret I have on this is Mother. | LRH: Mm-mm. |
Because, I mean, l didn't uh... cut my brothers throat on this one. I mean, Mother beat him up, but then that isn't particularly disastrous. You know? | PC: ‘Course, I have too. |
LRH: Well, what's disastrous there? | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: That my mother had uh well, had her ideas of a how a little girl should behave, shook. | PC: You know? And like I… I didn’t ever intend for her to get this one shook up. |
LRH: Mmm. | LRH: Get what? G… |
PC: I hadn't intended that. | PC: Get this idea of hers shook up. |
LRH: Mmm. Do something to your mother? | LRH: Mm-mm. Well, did she talk to you about the commercial value of all this? |
PC: Well sure I just I did - I indulged in sex play that was totally something she didn't want me to do Yeah, she's got something like "you're ruined if you do." You know? | PC: That was later. |
LRH: Mm-mm. | LRH: uh, yeah. But at that time there was something about this, hm? |
PC: 'Course, I have too. | PC: Yeah. I didn’t actually know she was sitting that strongly on – on it. |
LRH: Mm-mm. | LRH: I see. All right. Now, let’s skip what you don’t know. Let’s take a look at what you know in that period. Now, what do you know in that period? |
PC: Yeah. And like I-I didn't ever intend for her to get this one shook up. | PC: What period? |
LRH: Get what? | LRH: Anytime. Four, six – somewhere around in that lifetime area, in that life area. |
PC: Get this idea of hers shook up | PC: Well, I know that incident. |
LRH: Mm-mm. Well did she talk to you about the commercial value of all this? | LRH: All right. |
PC: That was later. | PC: I know the incident when I was four when I hit that little girl. I was four then. |
LRH: Oh, yeah. But at that time there was something about this. | LRH: When you were four… |
PC: Yeah I didn't actually know she was - was sitting that strongly on... on it. | PC: Hm. |
LRH: I see. All right. Now, let's skip what you don't know. Let's take a look at what you know in that period. (PC sighs) Now, that do you know in that period? | LRH: …you were what? |
PC: What period? | PC: I hit that little girl. I know about that. |
LRH: Anytime. Four, six, somewhere around in that lifetime area, in that life area. | LRH: You know about that. |
PC: Well, I know that incident. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. Is that an overt? |
PC: l know the incident when I was four when I hit my - that little girl. I was four then. | PC: Well, sure. |
LRH: When you were four ... | LRH: All right. How long have you known about that? |
PC: Hm. | PC: Well, rue always known that one. |
LRH: ... you were what? | LRH: All right. Good. And what other incident do you know in four-six period? |
PC: I hit that little girl. I know about that. | PC: uh, wait a minute. I – I – I know why auditors would go off on this one, is because I still have that one there that is the divided thing where I was sitting in the hall. I can’t account for that. LRH: What hall? |
LRH: You know about that. | PC: It’s a side porch. LRH: Yeah, what about the side porch? You mean you had it… What about this picture? You mean you’ve got a picture there… |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: All right. Is that an overt? | LRH: … and auditors keep hitting it? |
PC: Well, sure. | PC: Yeah. It turns – it just automatically comes up when I think about that six incident. |
LRH: All right. How long have you known about that? | LRH: I see. At four you get a picture of the side porch. |
PC: Well I've always known that one. | PC: Yeah. And it’s all… |
LRH: All right. Good And what other incident do you know in four-six period? | LRH: Six and four. |
PC: (pause) Oh, wait a minute. I-I-I know why auditors would go off on this one, is because I still have that uh ... one there that is the uh-... divided thing where I was sitting in the hall. I don't - I can't account for that. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: What hall? | LRH: Uh-huh. Did it… |
PC: Yeah, it's a side porch. | PC: Like… |
LRH: Yeah, what about the side porch? You mean you got - had a - what about this picture? You mean you've got a picture there ... | LRH: Is it this lifetime? |
PC: Mm. | PC: Hm? |
LRH: ... and auditors keep hitting it? | LRH: Has the picture anything to do with this lifetime? |
PC: Yeah. It turns - it uh, it just automatically comes up when I think about that uh ... | PC: I can’t be sure about t hat. |
LRH: I see. At four you get a picture of the side porch. | LRH: Mm-mm. So you got a picture. |
PC: Yeah. And so on ... | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Six and four. | LRH: Interesting. How many other pictures you got? Bang! What’s that. |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Well, I bumped into that one where I saw that man sitting in the rocking chair. He was a monster. |
LRH: Ohhh. Is it... | LRH: Hm? |
PC: Like... | PC: uh, I saw this monster sitting in the rocking chair, and… But this actually is an actual… I don’t know whether I slapped a picture over it or there was actually a man sitting there. But he was there and I called my sister and she came out, and he wasn’t – he’d disappeared out of the chair. |
LRH: ... is it this lifetime? | LRH: Yeah… |
PC: Hm ? | PC: I got that picture. |
LRH: Is the picture anything to do with this lifetime? | LRH: All right. All right. Okay. All right. Now, what do we – what don’t we know about this period? |
PC: I can't be sure about that. | PC: Mmmmmmmm. |
LRH: Mm-mm. So you got a picture. | LRH: What is unknown about this period? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Well, everything – my whole chronological events of my life in that period is unknown to me. |
LRH: Interesting. How many other pictures you got? (pause) Bang! What's that? | LRH: All right. Very good. And who’s been missing all these? |
PC: Well, I bumped into that one where I saw that man sitting on the - in the rocking chair He was a monster. | PC: uh, well, all the auditors missed that. |
LRH: Hm? | LRH: Well, good. What’s the withholds in this area? What are the real withholds in this area? |
PC: (laughs) Oh, I saw this monster sitting in the rocking chair, and ... But this actually is an actual ... I don't know whether I slapped a picture over it or there was actually a man - man sitting there. But he was there and I called my sister and she came out, and he wasn't. He'd disappeared out of the chair. | PC: Well, my whole – my life is a withhold there. What did I do? What was I like? You know? |
LRH: Yeah... | LRH: Hmm. All right. And who’s been missing it? |
PC: I got that picture. | PC: Mostly me. |
LRH: All right. All right. Okay. All right. Now, what don't we know about this period? | LRH: All right. |
PC: (sighs) Mmmmmmmm. | PC: Yeah. LRH: Very good. Very good. And any other data you’d like to tell me about concerning that right now? All right. We got a little halt – little click, little click. What’s that? What are you going over? Bing. Bing. What are you going over there? |
LRH: What is unknown about this period? | PC: Mostly, I’ve – mm – come into present time and noticing it was getting late, is all. |
PC: Well, everything - my whole chronological events of my life in that period is unknown to me. | LRH: All right. Good. Is that what you’re noticing |
LRH: All right. Very good. And who been missing all these? | PC: Mm. |
PC: Oh, well, all the auditors missed that. | LRH: All right. Very good. Now, what about sleeping with a man to trap him? |
LRH: Well, good. What's the withholds in this area? What are the real withholds in this area? | PC: Jimmy is the only one I’d want to be and Charlie. |
PC: (Pause) Well, my whole ... my life is a withhold there. What did I do? What was I like? You know? | LRH: Hm? |
LRH: Hmm. All right. And who's been missing it? | PC: Yeah, Jimmy and Charlie. No, this isn’t true. I had some promiscuity… |
PC: Mostly me. | LRH: Hm? |
LRH: All right. | PC: I had some promiscuity occurred in between Jimmy and Charlie. But I wasn’t intending to entrap. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. Very good. All right. Just let me ask you that question now. |
LRH: Very good. Very good. And any other data you'd like to tell me about concerning that right now? All right. We got a little halt - little click, little click. What's that? What are you going over? Bing. Bing. What are you going over there? | PC: Okay. |
PC: Well mostly, I've - I'm ... come into present time and noticing it was getting late is all. | LRH: All right. Let’s find out what the reaction we get on this is. |
LRH: All right. Good. Is that what you're noticing? | PC: Mmm. |
PC: Hmm.. | LRH: All right. What about sleeping with a man to trap him? Seems peculiarly uncharged now. |
LRH: All right. Very good. Now, what about sleeping with a man to trap him? | PC: Mmm. This feels uncharged. |
PC: Jimmy is the only one I'd - or it would have been Charlie. | LRH: Well, do you suddenly feel better about it? |
LRH: Hm? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Yeah, Jimmy and Charlie. No, this isn't true. I had some promiscuity ... | LRH: Did you feel worse about it than you do feel? |
LRH: Hm? | PC: Well, I did during the break – felt worse… |
PC: I had some promiscuity occurred in between Jimmy and Charlie. But I wasn't intending to entrap. | LRH: Mm-hm. |
LRH: All right. Very good. All right. Just let me ask you that question now. | PC: … than I did. I feel all right about it now. |
PC: Okay. | LRH: Mm-mm. Do you think anything has occurred here, then? |
LRH: All right. Let's find out what this is - what the reaction we get on this. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Hmm. | LRH: What? |
LRH: All right. What about sleeping with a man to trap him? Just seems peculiarly uncharged now. | PC: Well, feel more uh – uh – well, actually, less frantic about the whole thing, and notice a lot of connections between my present behavior and past stuff |
PC: Mmm. This feels uncharged. | LRH: Mm-hm. |
LRH: Well, do you suddenly feel better about it? | PC: YOU know? |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Mmm. |
LRH: Did you feel worse about it than you do feel? | PC: Like it’s what’s going on with me with this chronic PTP is just the story of my life. |
PC: Well, I did during the break - felt worse - worse ... | LRH: All right, honey. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: than I did. Uh ... I feel all right about it now. | LRH: All right. Nothing too new in this then. |
LRH: Mm-mm. Do you think anything has occurred here, then? | PC: Mmm. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right, honey. Now, we got a null on this What question. |
LRH: What? | PC: uh, good-o. |
PC: Well I feel more uh-uh ... well, actually, less frantic about uh ... the whole thing, and notice a lot of connections between my present behavior and uh ... past stuff. | LRH: And so if it’s all right with you, why, I’d like to end that Prepchecking and bring us down the line. |
LRH: Hm, hm. | PC: Mm. |
PC: You know? | LRH: Okay? |
LRH: Hmm. | PC: That’s fine. Fine. |
PC: Like it's what's going on with me with this chronic PTP is just the story of my life. | LRH: All right? All right? Okay. Anything you care to say or ask before I end that Prepchecking? |
LRH: All right, honey. | PC: No. Just… |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. Nothing too new in this then. | PC: … thank you. LRH: All right. All right. Here we go. Okay. Let’s walk into these end rudiments, huh? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Okay. |
LRH: All right, honey. Now, we got a null on this "What" question. | LRH: All right. Have you told me any half truth? Have you told me any half-truth? Untruth? |
PC: Oh. Good-o. | All right. Come up to present time. |
LRH: And so if it's all right with you, why, I'd like to end that Prepcheckng and bring us down the line. | PC: Mm. Okay. |
PC: Mm. | LRH: All right. See if we get this thing a little bit better here. |
LRH: Okay? | PC: Mm. LRH: Have you told me any half-truth? Thank you. Untruth? |
PC: That's fine. Fine. | PC: Nm-mm… |
LRH: All right? All right? Okay. Anything you care to say or ask before I end that Prepchecking? | LRH: All right. Said something only to impress me? uh, what have you said only to impress me? |
PC: No just ... | PC: Well, I always get the impression when I’m sitting here talking that I am impressing |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. |
PC: ... thank you. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. All right. Here we go. Okay. Let's walk into these end rudiments, huh? | LRH: All right. You doing it on purpose? |
PC: Okay. | PC: No. |
LRH: All right. Have you told me any half-truth? Have you told me any half-truth? Untruth? - All right. Come up to present time. | LRH: All right. Have you done it on purpose just for me? |
PC: Mm. Okay. | PC: No. |
LRH: All right. (PC sighs) See if we get this thing a little bit better here. | LRH: All right. All right. Have you said something only to impress me? |
PC: Mm. | PC: No. |
LRH: Have you told me any half-truth? Thank you. Untruth? | LRH: All right. Not anything particularly? |
PC: Mm. | PC: Mm-mm. |
LRH: All right. Said something only to impress me? Oh, what have you said only to impress me? | LRH: All right. Let me clear that again. |
PC: Well, I always get the impression when I'm sitting here talking that I am impressing. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: Have you said something only to impress me? That’s all right. Have you tried to damage anyone in this session? Tried to damage anyone in this… Boy, you sure stop on damage, don’t you? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. You doing it on purpose? | LRH: E The damage kid, huh? |
PC: No. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. Have you done it on purpose just for me? | LRH: All right. Okay. Now listen to me: Have you tried to damage anyone in this session? |
PC: No. | PC: No. |
LRH: All right. All right. have you said something only to impress me? | LRH: That’s so right. All right. Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? |
PC: No. | PC: No. |
LRH: All right. Not anything particularly? | LRH: All right. That’s in this session? |
PC: Mm-mm. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: All right. Let me clear that again. | LRH: All right. In this session have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? |
PC: Mm. | PC: No. |
LRH: Have you said something only to impress me? That's all right. Have you tried to damage anyone in this session? (short pause) Tried to damage anyone in this ... Boy, you sure stop on damage, don't you? | LRH: All right. The subject of E-Meter seems a little rough with you here. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah, that’s a lot of uh… |
LRH: The damage kid, huh? | LRH: What’s the matter? |
PC: Yeah. (LRH: and PC chuckle) | PC: … never can tell what the meter is reading on. You know? |
LRH: All right. Okay. Now listen to me: Have you tried to damage anyone in this session? | LRH: Don’t auditors tell you? |
PC: No. | PC: Well, yeah, they tell me, but they say, „Well, have I missed a withhold?“ and I say no, and they say, „Well, it’s clicking,“ and then it’s unreal to me because I don’t feel like I’ve failed to tell an auditor something Then I dig, and it does clean up. |
LRH: That's so right. All right. Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? | LRH: Mm-mm. Mm-mm. What do you answer them for? |
PC: No. | PC: What do you mean? |
LRH: All right. That's in this session? | LRH: Just what are you answering them for? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Well, they say, „Have I missed a withhold on you?“ and I say no. |
LRH: All right. In this session have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? | LRH: They’re actually just talking to the meter. |
PC: No. | PC: Is that what goes on? |
LRH: All right. The subject of E-Meter seems a little rough with you here. | LRH: Well, sure. And you say – they say, „Have I missed a withhold on you?“ you see, and you say no. And they say, „uh, yes, you have,“ and so forth. What are you talking for? |
PC: Yeah, I got a lot of uh ... | PC: Ha! |
LRH: What's the matter? | LRH: They’re just rudiments. |
PC: ... you, never can tell what the meter is reading on. You know? | PC: uh! |
LRH: Don't auditors tell you? | LRH: You don’t have to say anything. |
PC: Oh Well, yeah, they tell me, but they say "Well, I - have I missed a withhold and - and they say - I say, they say "Well, it's clicking" and then I-it's unreal to me that uh ... I... I... because I don't feel like I've failed to tell an auditor something. Then I dig, and it does clean up. | PC: Well, then I feel like if I don’t do that, then I end up with – it will read when it says „have you failed to answer a question or a command?“ See? |
LRH: Mmm. Mmm. What do you answer them for? | LRH: All right. You’re going to be caught three ways from the middle. |
PC: What do you mean? | PC: Yeah. You’re trapped any way you do it. |
LRH: Just what do you answer them for? | LRH: All right, honey. Well, you go ahead and answer it or not, as you please. |
PC: Well, they say "Have I missed a withhold on you?" and I say no. | PC: Okay. |
LRH: They actually missed at talking to the meter. | LRH: Okay. All right. Have you failed to answer any question or command I have given you in this session? That’s clean. Thank you. You see, you didn’t get a chance to answer me, did you? |
PC: Is that what goes on? | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Well, sure. And you say - they say "Have I missed a withhold on you?" you see, and you say no. And they say "Oh, yes, you have" and so forth. - What are you talking for? | LRH: All right. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? There’s a tiny, latent slowdown. Is there a little bit of something that… |
PC: Ha! | PC: Just uh… |
LRH: They're just rudiments. | LRH: That’s it. |
PC: Oh! | PC: …I’m sure if I dredged, I probably could find a lot of things, but like you haven’t missed anything. |
LRH: You don't have to say anything. | LRH: All right. But in this session… |
PC: Well then I feel like if I don't do that, then I end up with "Have you ..." It will read when it says "Have you failed to answer a question or a command?" (laughing) | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. That's going to be and be caught three ways from the middle. | LRH: … in this session… |
PC: Yeah. (LRH: and PC laugh) You're trapped any way you do it. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right, honey. Well, you go ahead and answer it or not, as you please. (laughs) | LRH: … what we have done… |
PC: Okay. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Okay. All right. Have you failed to answer any question or command I've given you in this session? That's clean. Thank you. You see, you didn't get a chance to answer me, did you? | LRH: … have I missed a withhold on you? |
PC: Mmm. . | PC: No. |
LRH: All right. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? There's a tiny, latent slowdown. Is there a little bit of something that ... | LRH: All right. I got a tick. I got a little latent tick here. |
PC: Just uh ... | PC: Yeah. Well, I’m afraid if I take a look and I ever find something, then it’s going to be missed. |
LRH: That's it. | LRH: Go ahead and take a look. |
PC: I'm sure if I dredged, I probably could find a lot of things, but like I - you haven't missed anything. | PC: Okay. |
LRH: All right. But in this session ... | LRH: I’m running this session. You relax! |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. Okay. |
LRH: ... in this session ... | LRH: All right. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Let’s see. No. Nothing. |
LRH: ... what we have done ... | LRH: All right. All right, let me check that again. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? I got a click. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: ... have I missed a withhold on you? | LRH: That’s it. That’s it. That’s it. Right there. |
PC: No. | PC: Well, just uh… see, this didn’t turn up in this session. |
LRH: All right. I got a tick. I got a little latent tick here. | LRH: Hm? |
PC: Yeah. Well, I'm afraid if I take a look that I'm going to find something. Then it's going to be missed. | PC: It didn’t turn up in this session, but it’s here now. |
LRH: Go ahead and take a look. | LRH: What is it? |
PC: Okay. | PC: That’s what I don’t understand. |
LRH: I'm running this session. You relax! | LRH: All right. Well, all right. |
PC: (laughs) Yeah. Okay. | PC: Uh… well, like I’ve got some discreditable habits that I don’t particularly like to talk about. |
LRH: (chuckles) All right. | LRH: All right. All right. |
PC: Let's see. (pause) No. Nothing. | PC: You know? |
LRH: All right. All right, let me check that again. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? I got a click. | LRH: All right. Have I failed to find out about those? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: That's it. That's it. That's it. Right there. | LRH: All right. Good. Good. All right. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? Well, it’s just a latent tick now. Now, what did you think of on that latent tick? |
PC: Well just uh ... see, this didn't turn up in this session. | PC: Just wondering, well, are you going to – if it’s going to click again. LRH: Click, click, click. There it is. |
LRH: Hm? | PC: Yeah. Just wondering, is it going to click again? |
PC: It didn't turn up in this session, but it's - it's here now. | LRH: Well, no, it’s latent. |
LRH: What is it? | PC: Mmm. |
PC: That's what I don't understand. | LRH: It’s latent. I’m just being mean. I’m just cleaning it up hard… |
LRH: All right. Well, all right. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Uh well, like I've got some discreditable habits that I don't particularly like uh ... to talk about. | LRH: … see? All right. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? Yeah. Tick. |
LRH: All right. All right. | PC: Hmm. |
PC: You know? | LRH: Tick. |
LRH: All right. Have I failed to find out about those? | PC: Well, what you’re – what you’ve missed is I get – just my – my mmm – I’m thinking thoughts, and now it’s a missed withhold, and damn it. You know? |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: What is this? |
LRH: All right. Good. Good. All right. In this session have I missed a withhold on you? Well, it's just a latent tick now. - Now, what did you think of on that latent tick? | PC: Just, well… |
PC: Just wondering, well, are you going to - if it's going to click again. | LRH: Are you sitting there trying to run the session? |
LRH: Click click, click; There it is. | PC: Uh… |
PC: Yeah. Just - just wondering, is it going to click again? | LRH: Trying to keep yourself from thinking things and thinking things and… |
LRH: Well, no, it's latent. | PC: Yeah. Actually, I’m trying to not to dump all my case in your lap. LRH: Well, thank you. Are you trying to keep me from missing a withhold? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: It's latent. I'm just being mean. I'm just cleaning it up hard ... | LRH: Yeah. All right. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: ... see? All right. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? Yeah. Tick. | LRH: You’re working much too hard, you know? |
PC: Hmm. | PC: Yeah. I am. |
LRH: Tick. | LRH: You know? That’s my job just now. |
PC: Well, what you're you've missed is I get uh ... just my ... my mmm ... I'm thinking thoughts, and now it's a missed withhold, and damn it. You know? | PC: Yeah. Okay. |
LRH: What is it? | LRH: All right. But what I’ve asked for and what I’ve looked into, you’ve told me, haven’t you? |
PC: Just, well. | PC: Mm-hm. |
LRH: Are you sitting there trying to run the session? | LRH: Right. All right. Now, let me ask this question again. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? There, that’s very latent, and we’re just going to leave it that way. |
PC: Uh ... | PC: Good. |
LRH: Trying to keep yourself from thinking things and thinking things and ... | LRH: All right. Because I think that one came up from anxiety of „is it going to be clean?“ |
PC: Uh ... yeah. Actually, I'm trying not to dump all my case in your lap. | PC: Yeah. It did. |
LRH: Well, thank you. Are you trying to keep me from missing a withhold? (chuckles) | LRH: You sure have a hell of a time with the meter. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah, I do. LRH: Yeah. You’re not used to an auditor like me. I just maul you around and say you’re supposed to do this and that. |
LRH: Yeah. All right. (chuckles) | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. Look around here and tell me if you can have anything. Click! |
LRH: You're working much too hard, you know? | PC: I can really have that picture. It reminds me of the outrigger picture, the one that’s in the Outrigger in Seattle. |
PC: Yeah. I am. | LRH: All right. Good enough. Let me check this again. |
LRH: You know? That's my job just now. (laughs) | PC: Mmm. |
PC: Yeah. (chuckles) Okay. | LRH: Look around here and tell me if you can have anything. Tiny slowdown. What else did you run into? |
LRH: All right. Now, what I've asked for and what I've looked into, you've told me, haven't you? | PC: I was staring right into the face of the camera. |
PC: Mm-hm. | LRH: uh, all right. It isn’t on, that one. |
LRH: Right. All right. Now, let me ask this question again. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? There, that's very latent, and we're just going to leave it that way. | PC: uh, good-o. |
PC: Good. | LRH: All right. Let me check it again. |
LRH: All right. Because I think that one came up from anxiety of "is it going to be clean?" | PC: Okay. |
PC: Yeah. It did. | LRH: All right. Look around here and tell me if you can have anything |
LRH: You sure have a hell of a time with the meter. | PC: That telephone. |
PC: Yeah, I do. | LRH: That’s my girl. |
LRH: Yeah. You're not used to an auditor like me. I just maul you around and say (chuckles) you're supposed to do this and that. | PC: Mm. |
PC: Haaa. (sighs) | LRH: That was quite late. |
LRH: All right. Look around here and tell me if you can have anything. Click! | PC: Yeah. |
PC: I can really here that picture. It reminds me of the outrigger picture, the one that's in The Outrigger in Seattle. | LRH: so we’re just going to leave that one right there. |
LRH: All right. Good enough. Let me check this again. | PC: Good. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: You might give me a can – wait a second now. This… |
LRH: Look around here and tell me if you can have anything. Tiny slowdown. What else did you run into? | PC: I’ve got them clutched awfully hard. |
PC: I was staring right into the face of the camera. | LRH: That’s all right. Let me make sure that you’ve got some havingness here. Squeeze them. Man! Man, who runs you with havingness that far down? What’s your ordinary havingness run? |
LRH: Oh, all right. It isn't on, that one. | PC: Point out something |
PC: Ah, good-o. | LRH: Hm? |
LRH: All right. Let me check it again. | PC: You mean the process? |
PC: Okay | LRH: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. Look around here and tell me if you can have anything. | PC: Point out something. |
PC: That telephone. | LRH: Yeah? Well, here we go. We’re going to run a few commands of that. All right? |
LRH: That's my girl. | PC: Will it be… can I just do it like this? |
PC: Mm. | LRH: Just do it right like that. |
LRH: That was quite late. | PC: Okay. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. Point out something |
LRH: So we're just going to leave that one right there. | PC: You. |
PC: Good. | LRH: Thank you. Point out something. |
LRH: You might give me a can - wait just a minute now. This ... | PC: That lamp. |
PC: I've got them clutched awfully hard. | LRH: Thank you. Point out something. |
LRH: That's all right. I just - well, let me make sure that you've got some havingness here. | PC: That picture. |
Squeeze them. Man! Man, who runs you with havingness that far down? What's your ordinary havingness run? | LRH: Thank you. Point out something |
PC: Point out something. | PC: That thing on the mantel. |
LRH: Hm? | LRH: Good. Point out something |
PC: You mean the process? | PC: The camera. |
LRH: Yeah. | LRH: Thank you. All right. Squeeze the cans, just like you did before. |
PC: Point out something. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Yeah? Well, here we go. We're going to run a few commands of that. All right? | LRH: Boy, that’s certainly not much can squeeze. How are you holding those cans? |
PC: Would it be if - okay if I just do it like ... | PC: I’m clutching them. |
LRH: That? Just do it right like that. | LRH: All right. Give ‘em a squeeze. uh right. Point out something |
PC: Okay. | PC: The telephone. |
LRH: All right. Point out something. | LRH: Good. Point out something. |
PC: You. | PC: Those curtains. |
LRH: Thank you. Point out something. | LRH: Good. Point out something. |
PC: That lamp. | PC: The radiator. |
LRH: Thank you. Point out something. | LRH: Good. Point out something |
PC: That picture. | PC: The televisions. |
LRH: Thank you. Point out something. | LRH: Good. Point out something |
PC: That - that thing on the mantel. | PC: That chair. |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | LRH: Good. Point out something |
PC: The camera. | PC: That camera. |
LRH: Thank you. All right. Squeeze the cans, just like you did before. | LRH: Good. Point out something |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Uh – that cabinet. |
LRH: Boy, that's certainly not much can squeeze. How are you holding those cans? | LRH: Good. All right. Squeeze the cans. Well, that’s – we’re gaining tone arm on it anyhow. |
PC: I'm clutching them. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: All right. Give them a squeeze. All right. Point out something. | LRH: All right. Point out something |
PC: The telephone. | PC: The couch. |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | LRH: Good. Point out something. |
PC: Those uh ... curtains. | PC: That fireplace. |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | LRH: Good. Point out something |
PC: The radiator. | PC: The fire. |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | LRH: Good. Point out something |
PC: The ... the television. | PC: The model on the floor. |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | LRH: Good. Point out something |
PC: That chair. | PC: That glass. |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | LRH: Good. Point out something |
PC: That camera. | PC: The lights. |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | LRH: All right. Put your cans in your lap now. All right. Squeeze the cans. That’s better. |
PC: Uh ... that cabinet. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Good. All right. Squeeze the cans. | LRH: All right. Point out something |
All right. Point out something. | PC: That case. |
PC: The couch. | LRH: Good. Point out something |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | PC: That chest. |
PC: That fireplace. | LRH: Good. Point out something |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | PC: Uh – those wires. |
PC: The fire. | LRH: Good. Point out something. |
LRH: Good Point out something. | PC: The curtains. |
PC: Uh, the model under - on the floor: | LRH: All right. If it’s all right with you, I’ll give you two more commands and end this process. |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | PC: Fine. |
PC: Uh ... that glass. | LRH: Very good. Point out something |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | PC: You. |
PC: The lights. | LRH: Good. Point out something |
LRH: All right. Put your cans in your lap now. All right. Squeeze the cans. That's better. | PC: The sign. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: Good. All right. Is there anything you care to say before I end that process? |
LRH: All right. Point out something. | PC: Just I feel more here. |
PC: That case. | LRH: All right. Excellent. End of process. |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | PC: Okay. |
PC: That chest. | LRH: Okay. Now, have you made any part of your goals for this session, which was „find the missed withhold“? |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | PC: Yeah. That one doesn’t seem very real to me somehow. That uh… |
PC: Uh ... those wires. | LRH: That goal? Yeah? |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | PC: Yeah. It just what’s more real to me is that the chronic PTP is more handled. |
PC: The curtains. | LRH: uh, all right. |
LRH: All right. If it's all right with you, I'll give you two more commands and end this process. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Fine. | LRH: Well, did we find something about this, and so forth? |
LRH: Very good. Point out something. | PC: Yeah, did, on that one. |
PC: Uh ... you. (chuckles) | LRH: All right. Then you say „to get this PTP handled.“ Do you feel better about this PTP? |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | PC: Yeah, I do. |
PC: The sign. | LRH: All right, honey. Very good. All right. Is there any gains you’d care to mention? |
LRH: Good. All right. Is there anything you care to say before I end that process? | PC: Well, just feel much more comfortable about you. That’s a big gain. |
PC: Just I feel more here. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. Excellent. End of process. | PC: Yes. |
PC: Okay. | LRH: Okay. |
LRH: Okay. Now, have you made any part of your gains this session - any part of your goals for this session, which was to find the missed withhold?" | PC: Yes. |
PC: Yeah. That one doesn't seem very real to me somehow. But uh ... | LRH: All right. Anything else? |
LRH: That goal? Yeah? | PC: Uh – there’s another gain here, but I don’t know how to put it. Yes, I do too know what it is. More willingness to communicate freely in front of a group. I didn’t realize I’d be this comfortable about that. |
PC: Yeah. It just uh ... what's more real to me is that uh ... the chronic PTP is more handled. | LRH: uh, all right. Very good. |
LRH: (chuckles) Oh, all right. | PC: I d didn’t have to not-is them either. I was sort of on the edge of awareness that they were there. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Well, I must say you came through excellently well with that little warning and that… |
LRH: Well, did we find something about this, and so forth? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Yeah, on that one. | LRH: … much of a surprise. |
LRH: All right. Then you say "to get this PTP handled." Do you feel better about this PTP? | PC: I was totally uuu-uh when I came up. |
PC: Yeah I do. | LRH: All right. And then, is there anything that you would care to say or ask before I end this session? |
LRH: All right, honey. Very good. All right. Is there any gains you'd care to mention? | PC: I would like to know the tone arm actions. |
PC: Well I just feel uh ... much more comfortable about you. That's a big gain. | LRH: Your tone arm action is not quite back up to 2 now. It’s been down to 1. You’ve been varying between 1.5 and 2. |
LRH: (chuckles) All right. | PC: Mm-mm. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Running a half a tone division. |
LRH: Okay. | PC: I see. |
PC: Yes. | LRH: Okay? |
LRH: All right. Anything else? | PC: Okay. Thank you. |
PC: Uh ... (pause) There's another gain here, but I don't know how to put it. Um ... | LRH: All right. Anything else? |
Yes, I do too know what it is. Uh ... um ... more willingness to communicate freely in front of a-a-a group. I didn't realize I'd be this comfortable about that. | PC: No. That’s all. |
LRH: (chuckles) Oh, all right. Very good. | LRH: All right. Is it all right with you if I end this session now? |
PC: I didn't have to not-is them either. I was sort of on the edge of awareness that they were there. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: (chuckles) Well, I must say you came through excellently well with that little warning. That ... | LRH: All right. Here it is. End of session. Okay. Has the session ended for you? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yes. |
LRH: That was a surprise. | LRH: Very good. Tell me I’m no longer auditing you. |
PC: I was totally in awe when I came up. | PC: You’re no longer auditing me. |
LRH: All right. And then, is there anything that you would care to say or ask before I end this session? | LRH: All right. Very good. |
PC: No. That's all. | PC: And thanks again. LRH: You’re certainly welcome. |
LRH: All right. Is it all right with you if I end this session now? | |
PC: Mmm. | |
LRH: All right. Here it is. End of session. | |
Okay. Has the session ended for you? | |
PC: Yes. | |
LRH: Very good. Tell me I'm no longer auditing you. | |
PC: You're no longer auditing me. | |
LRH: All right. Very good. | |
PC: And thanks again. | |
LRH: You're certainly welcome. | |